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Re:Keybase is not softer than TOFU by UncleMeat on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @03:39PM (#19505087)
This works great for incredibly tech savvy people who have an offline way of verifying public keys. This is completely and utterly useless for 99.9% of whatsapp's 1b+ users. Heck, how many times have security-aware software engineers blazed through the "THIS KEY IS NOT TRUSTED" warning from ssh?
Re:Keybase is not softer than TOFU by BenjiWiebe on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @04:07PM (#19505428)
I ignore the ssh key not trusted only if i know why it isn't trusted.
Re:Keybase is not softer than TOFU by zepearl on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @05:47PM (#19506419)
Same here, at least privately - it happened a couple of times that I renewed or changed for whatever reason the key on some server and a few days later when I tried to connect using a secondary device I got the warning, which made me go to defcon-2 for at least a few minutes, hehe.

On the other hand, at the company I work for, internal machine certificates/keys are renewed without my involvement (I'm a so-called "IT-owner" of some apps and the infrastructure that the apps use), and therefore I get the warning when connecting to their Linux hosts but each time (few times every few years, but still...) I dismiss it hoping that it's because of the work of the admins renewing the certificates (clarifying who-did-what-when would be a potential major administrative undertaking) => this is absolutely a flaw of the internal processes.

Yes, it could be fixed by a more complex infrastructure, but again, if the internal processes are weak then even the more-complex-infrastructure could be compromised by side-attacks.

Re:Keybase is not softer than TOFU by ndnxhs on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @06:38PM (#19506902)
Same. If I reinstall the OS on my raspberry pi I will ignore the warning. I once had an issue where using the WiFi hotspot on a coworkers phone caused the SSH warning to trigger and neither of us could work out why. I did not ignore that warning.
Re:Keybase is not softer than TOFU by cyphar on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @06:10PM (#19506659)
Matrix's new key verification UX is incredibly intuitive. You press a button to verify the keys and then you out-of-band check that you're both looking at the same set of 7 emoji. This mutually-verifies both devices. I don't think it's possible for it to get any simpler.

With cross-signing, this will get even easier because cross-signed devices will be automatically trusted.