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Re:Google launches AMP for email by UI_at_80x24 on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @03:18PM (#19495126)
>gets more multimedia and more performant

More performant then text? What are you comparing it to smoke signals FFS? And let me see if I understand you correctly, you _WANT_ multimedia in your emails?

What is the point? To send miniature versions of web-pages?!?

Re:Google launches AMP for email by AJ007 on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @03:57PM (#19495439)
Google is looking for alternative channels to sell ads through. Adding more complicated media to email increases the type of ads that can be sold. It won’t be right away, but it’s coming.

As their users spend more time with voice assistants and less with search result pages, Google needs to make up for those losses somewhere else. If they don’t, their revenue growth will end or invert, the stock price will drop, and the amount of money they can pay all of their employees will significantly decline.

For all of the messaging platforms Google tried to build and messed up, it is a real possiblilty that Google could end up killing Gmail through management screw ups.

Re:Google launches AMP for email by craftinator on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @06:08PM (#19496467)
I favor this view of outcomes. The backlash caused by AMP in the first place was loud, but small. More people seem to be catching on with the negatives of it... AMP for email may not be the downfall of Gmail, but it opens new decision pathways that could be very harmful for the platform, such as inserting ads into private email conversations.
Re:Google launches AMP for email by stirfrykitty on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @09:08AM (#19500441)
Ads are easy to block, even with this development. The delivery may have changed, but not the how to. Blocking ads at the DNS level is always effective. I enjoy the cat and mouse game with the ad companies. It's always interesting to see how the adblock guys do their thing. Employing a Pi-hole has been one of the best decisions I have made in regards to my own network. Couple the Pi-hole with uBlock Origin, Privacy badger, Decentraleyes, and a few other tweaks, and you get the WWW the way it was intended to be: content only.

I am unapologetic about blocking ads, beacons, cookies, trackers of all kinds. My computer, my rules. Just as I'm not required to look at roadside ads, and I don't, I refuse to allow my network to become compromised to give someone else another BMW. Running a website is the cost of doing business. If you cannot afford the domain name, bandwidth, etc., choose another business model. Ads were and are a horrible business model. I haven't seen an ad in literally years. I plan on keeping it this way.

Re:Google launches AMP for email by ocdtrekkie on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @09:55AM (#19500801)
If DNS adblocking becomes too widespread, expect Google to start serving ads on the same subdomains as your Gmail messages.
Re:Google launches AMP for email by stirfrykitty on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @12:28PM (#19502610)
Can still block them with element blockers. Elements are quickly cataloged, added to block lists and shared. Happens in mere minutes. A lot of this is automated, but it can be hand curated as well for some that were not noticed or perhaps new. An entire "industry" exists to keep the web clean. uBlock Origin does a fantastic job in this regard. In fact, it's one of the only methods that kills adblock blockers. I've not seen a successful adblock blocker since using it. It kills them dead. No more nag screens. Nothing but a clean content-only website, as nature intended.

There are some very smart people in the blocking arena. Since most of this stuff is delivered via JS, it's fairly trivial, at least at the moment, to handle same-domain ads. The game may change in future, but the adblock people usually prevail.

One idea I have if the sites start outright blocking blocking users, is to sort out how to write the ads to a form of /dev/null while making the site think they've been shown. I used to do this with Flash cookies/LSOs. I wrote them to /dev/null so I could take advantage of Flash back when it was a thing, yet have no LSOs on my machine to track me. Coupled with referer blocking, history blocking, no fingerprinting, and other settings, it worked a treat.

I'm willing to bet that if we cannot "block" them as part of the domain, we can sort out a way to block the element, shunt the ads into the bit bucket and continue on our merry.

Re:Google launches AMP for email by xnyan on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @03:51PM (#19505230)
>One idea I have if the sites start outright blocking blocking users, is to sort out how to write the ads to a form of /dev/null

I think several dns-based ad blocking programs can do this today, but so far I have not had a problem with returning NULL address (0.0.0.0). Pihole talks about the pros and cons of common approaches: https://docs.pi-hole.net/ftldns/blockingmode/. One downside is you have to run a webserver to catch the redirect and all the overhead that comes with it.

Re:Google launches AMP for email by fixermark on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @03:29PM (#19495222)
Yes. The advantages of HTML in an email are well-documented in the TC article and the Google announcement. I would make use of that, personally.
Re:Google launches AMP for email by UI_at_80x24 on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @05:12PM (#19496066)

    None of those "Advantages" were advantageous to the end user.  This only benefits Google or other corporations, and anything that benefits them harms me.
Re:Google launches AMP for email by fixermark on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @05:34PM (#19496246)
With respect, "anything that benefits corporations harms me" is a weird attitude.

AMP in email could, hypothetically, allow me to hit the "checkin to my flight" button for a Southwest flight directly from my confirmation email without having to bump over to their website. That's cool, convenient, and simplifies my life. It also benefits the corporation (their resource allocation is easier if they have a firm count of flyers) and it benefits Google (I'm more likely to use an email client that facilitates this).

The business world is full of win-wins, and this has the potential to be one of them.

Re:Google launches AMP for email by jxfreeman on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @12:02AM (#19498098)
That’s theoretically possible now if not actually implemented already. AMP in the email isn’t going to automatically make this possible. The SWA devs and the Delta devs and the AA devs and the Alaska devs and the Northwest devs, ad naseum are all going to poorly implement their version just as poorly as their REST version (if they have one). The implementation mechanism isn’t really going to improve the experience. It will just be something different that is broken or slow.
Re:Google launches AMP for email by gwenzek on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @06:24PM (#19496550)
> checkin to my flight button

You can do that in HTML email too. Newsletter have an "unsubscribe" button, calendar invites have a yes/no/maybe button.

Re:Google launches AMP for email by fixermark on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @10:12PM (#19497656)
Not without leaving the email UI, no.
Re:Google launches AMP for email by jamesgeck0 on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @12:22AM (#19498159)
Let me introduce you to Actions and Highlights, which do exactly this without leaving the email UI. AFAIK Gmail has the best (only?) support for them, but anyone could support them.

https://developers.google.com/gmail/markup/actions/actions-o...

Re:Google launches AMP for email by drivingmenuts on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @12:16AM (#19498142)
It also allows for even more invasions of user privacy. We’re already tracked like tagged coyotes, so where does it stop? Obviously, not when users say so, because we can’t afford the lobbyists and lawyers that industry can.

So now we just have to lie back and think of profits?

Re:Google launches AMP for email by kortilla on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @03:54AM (#19498816)
What an incredibly bad example. Many airlines already include a link for a one click checkin. They already induce people to checkin (southwest for sure) with boarding priority based on checkin time.

You’ve perfectly summed up AMP for email with a use case that’s already been solved by a simpler technology that nobody has complained about.

Re:Google launches AMP for email by IanCal on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @06:28PM (#19496576)
Being able to respond to & deal with gdocs changes directly within an email has clear advantages for users of gdocs.
Re:Google launches AMP for email by JohnFen on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @03:57PM (#19495442)
Those "advantages" are very weak, at best.