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Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by gpm on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @11:13AM (#19492573)
Even if some trillionaire decided to lay out all the wires for a new internet it wouldn't matter with respect to things like this. It would still be subject to the same laws. The same applies to radio mesh networking.
Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by hokus on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @12:15PM (#19493167)
The postal service can send a box with say 10 * 6 TB hdd quite fast. Say 2 days for delivery.

480 000 000 000 000 bits / 86400 sec = 5555.56 mbit/s

And you can send as many boxes as you like in parallel.

Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by kortilla on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @01:17PM (#19493891)
High throughput but extremely high latency networks are significantly less useful than current networks.
Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by lstodd on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @06:16PM (#19496507)
Fidonet worked and many an offshoot were spawned.

I fondly remember conversations on AmiNet - an Amiga - dedicated FTN network.

That was all done over PSTN with 9600 - 19200 bps modems. Latency was days. All this didn't preclude massive amounts of collaboration over it.

I'd rather question if lower latency delivers any benefit.

Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by groestl on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @06:45PM (#19496648)
Yet, notably, copyrighted material meant for human consumption is exactly the kind of content that aligns best with high throughput/extreme latency scenarios.
Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by dTal on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @09:35AM (#19500656)
>you can send as many boxes as you like in parallel

I imagine that in practice the postal service may start to decline your custom somewhere around the quintillion-box mark, or perhaps even before...

Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by stcredzero on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @06:07PM (#19496459)
Even if some trillionaire decided to lay out all the wires for a new internet

What if a billionaire launched a constellation of low earth satellites which provided Internet?

Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by extra88 on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @06:52PM (#19496685)
How are satellites different from the radio mesh networks they already mentioned?

They're not, regardless of medium, the same cops and IP lawyers can get on it and track down people to arrest and sue according to whatever laws are on the books, good or bad.

Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by stcredzero on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @07:22PM (#19496839)
They're not, regardless of medium, the same cops and IP lawyers can get on it and track down people to arrest and sue according to whatever laws are on the books, good or bad.

What if this satellite Internet service is a multinational corporation, with the directly owning entities based in Russia and China? Or perhaps Sweden? Part of a conglomerate under the ultimate control of a corporation on Mars?

I think we'll definitely have crossed some threshold when we have our first extradition from a different gravity well.

Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by gpm on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @09:04PM (#19497365)
I think one piece of context that your missing is that the people targeted by this law aren't the people running the wires, it's the people running the servers behind the wires.

Today, if people in Russia or China run the servers there isn't much the EU can do (see: scihub and the US, for a long time piratebay too). You don't need a massive indestructible satellite constellation for that.

I'd also add that a billionaire isn't the criteria you're looking for here even if it was a policy targeting the people running the wire. It's a foreign government with sufficient military power to deter the US from arresting you, and sufficient technological power to set up such a network. Maybe it's a Russian Billionaire who launches them in your hypothetical, but it's the Russian government who provides the security that allows him to do that.

Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by stcredzero on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @09:07PM (#19497377)
I think one piece of context that your missing is that the people targeted by this law aren't the people running the wires, it's the people running the servers behind the wires.

I was imagining containerized server clusters in low earth orbit as well, with the ability to rapidly export the entire state of servers across super high bandwidth laser links. Everything would be done remotely, and the corporations running them would also be in Russia, China, Mars, etc.

(Containerized in the sense of hardware in a shipping container, not Docker, though that would play a role as well.)

Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by tachyonbeam on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @11:55AM (#19492967)
What if, you had a worldwide mesh network of internet satellites, too many of them to take down...?
Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by Daniel_sk on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @06:06PM (#19496452)
Countries could jam the signal or find you easily since you would also have to transmit data to the satellite.
Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by karoofish on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @06:33PM (#19496603)
laser uplink.
Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by naniwaduni on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @08:46PM (#19497289)
Arms race against state-level actors is not a good position to be in.
Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by avmich on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @09:35PM (#19497506)
Right, but not unwinnable. George Soros vs. Bank of England comes to mind as an example, but you can have other options, if, say, you have a technological edge (easier for you to "attack" with data than for them to "defend") and a sympathetic population. Doublespeak could be popular under less than free regimes.