Re:UK Releases 130 Terabytes of Oil and Gas Data
by haser_au on Monday March 25, 2019 @07:24PM
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Security through obscurity should be long dead by now. If the only thing stopping people from damaging these assets is their 'secret' location, we have a big problem.
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Re:UK Releases 130 Terabytes of Oil and Gas Data
by r3un1 on Monday March 25, 2019 @07:40PM
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Security through obscurity has different merits depending on the context.
In software, it is a really bad idea to hope that your code is so obscure that no attacker will find a security flaw.
IRL, on the other hand, unknown positions of assets are often critical (the uncertainty whether you know about all the adversary's nuclear silos being a huge part of the nuclear deterrence policy). There is just so much resources you can throw at discovering underground pipelines.
Re:UK Releases 130 Terabytes of Oil and Gas Data
by MrMorden on Monday March 25, 2019 @11:12PM
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Silos are hard to move; secret nuclear launch locations are provided by SSBNs.
Re:UK Releases 130 Terabytes of Oil and Gas Data
by dantheman on Monday March 25, 2019 @07:31PM
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This is completely incorrect. Things can be made so difficult that they become impractical by forcing the bad actor to do a lot of grunt work.
Re:UK Releases 130 Terabytes of Oil and Gas Data
by maxerickson on Monday March 25, 2019 @10:19PM
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Not finding significant pipelines. That's pretty easy if you want to do it.
Re:UK Releases 130 Terabytes of Oil and Gas Data
by osrec on Monday March 25, 2019 @07:44PM
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In some sense, that's what cryptography is.
Re:UK Releases 130 Terabytes of Oil and Gas Data
by mc32 on Monday March 25, 2019 @08:54PM
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People like vandals and thieves and vagrants can be deterred by obscurity. There are lots of things which enjoy a modicum of peace and non disturbance because of obscurity. Maintenance sheds, utility rooms, etc.
Re:UK Releases 130 Terabytes of Oil and Gas Data
by samplatt on Monday March 25, 2019 @08:32PM
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Security through obscurity is a useful and valid part of a security process, but only if it's one of many parts of the process.
Re:UK Releases 130 Terabytes of Oil and Gas Data
by NeedMoreTea on Monday March 25, 2019 @07:29PM
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Do they put Fylingdales on maps yet? Though of course it's been well known for decades :)
Re:UK Releases 130 Terabytes of Oil and Gas Data
by arethuza on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @07:47AM
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I did a quick check and RAF Fylingdales is easy to find on Apple and Google maps. However, my OS Maps app won't find it even though I can find other 'normal' RAF bases (e.g. RAF Lossiemouth).
Re:UK Releases 130 Terabytes of Oil and Gas Data
by NeedMoreTea on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @08:41AM
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I should be surprised that OS still don't list it, but I think it's almost quaint these days. :)
Re:UK Releases 130 Terabytes of Oil and Gas Data
by arethuza on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @09:42AM
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Well, for doing anything outdoors I'd take OS 1:25000 maps over Google or Apple maps any day (both the app and backup paper versions).
Re:UK Releases 130 Terabytes of Oil and Gas Data
by NeedMoreTea on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @03:24PM
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Me too. I meant the continued absence of a huge base and radomes from the OS maps was the quaint relic, expressed poorly. :)