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Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by sneak on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:17PM (#19472640)
Just because a removal of freedom seems to be beneficial doesn’t make this any less of a human rights abuse. The right to free expression is inherent in all people, and it is unconscionable that the Chinese government censors expression in this way.
Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by nsillik on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:29PM (#19472684)
> The inalienable right to play Fortnite.

All governments restrict certain behaviors: alcohol (dui, public intoication, etc.), drugs(prohibition, prescription only), gambling.

Now, it’s fair to say that doing those, and doing them as much or as long as you like, is an inalienable right-like “expression”-is absolutely a position you can take. But all countries seem to agree that we shouldn’t do certain things, at least not to excess.

Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by sneak on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:51PM (#19472770)
No, the inalienable right to publish creative works without the government forcing you to add or remove content or features.

If they didn’t protect this in the United States, your iPhone would have an FBI backdoor in it as of the last iOS update. It does not, because there are some people in the US who still believe that the government does not have the right to serve as your product manager or editorial board.

Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by mises on Saturday March 23, 2019 @07:29PM (#19472915)
Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by nsillik on Saturday March 23, 2019 @07:02PM (#19472810)
This is an interesting distinction. I wonder how, or if, China’s regulations would differ if it were free (freedom and/or beer). But, I think a country has a certain right to regulate when it comes to commerce, especially foreign commerce.
Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by kodz4 on Saturday March 23, 2019 @09:25PM (#19473486)
More importantly we live in times were companies are much more efficient at exploiting human weakness.

They do it faster and at larger scales than ever before. There is hardly time for even experts to react to what they are seeing unfold, forget governments.

In the past the only thing that did damage this fast was disease. Anything moving "too fast" through a population without anytime to understand the negative effects should be treated the same way we counter viruses or nuclear chain reactions - with control rods and quarantine periods.

Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by thaumasiotes on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:42PM (#19472731)
Ancient Greece had a couple major festivals of Dionysus in which it was perfectly acceptable behavior to get roaring drunk and stagger crazily through the public square. You weren't expected to do this, but you could. (One or two times a year.)

It makes me curious whether having the rare festival allowing the activity might make it easier to get everyone not to do it the rest of the year.

Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by kgwgk on Saturday March 23, 2019 @08:12PM (#19473109)
Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by nsillik on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:44PM (#19472745)
Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by thaumasiotes on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:49PM (#19472760)
I believe the European Christian tradition also had a holiday of this type, which was Christmas.

But Christmas now is pretty different.

Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by nsillik on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:51PM (#19472769)
Hedonist festivals were a lot more popular historically.

I was born at the wrong time.

Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by throwaway663 on Saturday March 23, 2019 @09:04PM (#19473391)
The Purge?
Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by troquerre on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:23PM (#19472657)
There is a world where we find that certain game mechanics trigger the same reactions in our brains as gambling, in which case limiting/regulating game time is not a bad thing.
Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by sneak on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:26PM (#19472671)
They aren’t limiting game time. They are censoring publishers from publishing their game as written.

It is absolutely a bad thing, even if you think the end result is a benefit - that was my point.

Separately, the laws against gambling are similarly infringing upon basic human rights to free association and free communication/expression.

Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by Retra on Saturday March 23, 2019 @07:27PM (#19472907)
How is it 'absolutely' a bad thing, even in the cases where people are saying it is a good thing?
Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by ssnistfajen on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:48PM (#19472757)
You must have not heard of parental control features. Is limiting a child's screen time also "human rights abuse"?
Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by antidesitter on Saturday March 23, 2019 @09:28PM (#19473496)
> parental control features

This is control by an authoritarian state, not by parents. But you already knew that, didn't you?

Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by a1369209993 on Saturday March 23, 2019 @08:46PM (#19473285)
Yes. The fact that a large number of people abuse their children this way doesn't make it acceptable any more than it made beating them with belts acceptable back when that was common.
Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by thoughtstheseus on Saturday March 23, 2019 @07:21PM (#19472882)
No, we are not talking about parents. Unless you are implying that people should receive their social, cultural, etc. values from a government?
Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by ssnistfajen on Saturday March 23, 2019 @08:00PM (#19473053)
Way to escalate an issue about teenagers playing a video game.

If you've been through a public education system you've already received social and cultural values from a government.

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Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by dang on Saturday March 23, 2019 @08:32PM (#19473219)
Could you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting to HN? We're hoping for much higher quality comments than that here.
Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by saagarjha on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:26PM (#19472672)
Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately?) we seem to normalize violating the rights of minors.
Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by sneak on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:28PM (#19472678)
The rights that were violated were those of the publisher, by government censorship. They have the right to free expression, and Chinese officials will imprison them by force if they use it.
Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by nsillik on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:39PM (#19472717)
Are you saying that companies have a right to distribute their work, for profit, unlimitedly? Regardless of how dangerous, addictive, financially ruinous, or socially destructive it is?
Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by unshatter on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:41PM (#19472730)
First of all, the publishers were able to release the original game, but what was limited was their audience. If there were “rights” violated, it would be the minors’.

Secondly, restricting minors from certain acts is very common in most countries because they aren’t old enough to know better.

It is very common in western countries to forbid stores to sell alcohol and tobacco to minors. Would you argue that the store owner’s rights were violated?

Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by sneak on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:47PM (#19472752)
No, they were required to institute cooldown timers for minors to be allowed to publish it. The same goes for Blizzard. Their original, unmodified game, as published in the rest of the world, is censored in China by media censorship laws.

Selling alcohol and tobacco aren’t expression, authoring and publishing creative works is. Please do not conflate the two.

Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by l24ztj on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:40PM (#19472723)
Why should minors have the same rights as adults?
Re:In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much by saagarjha on Sunday March 24, 2019 @04:10AM (#19475092)
One argument for this is that these rights are granted to humans, not adults.