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Re:Australia has enough solar, wind storage in pipeline to g... by cal5k on Thursday March 21, 2019 @10:07AM (#19452476)
I was referring specifically to the rapid Moore's Law-type decreases we've seen in the panels themselves, but upon investigation it looks that the price of batteries is decreasing faster than I had realized. So I'll cede that point. Global output of LiPo batteries is still a pittance compared to what would be required to run the world on solar, but there are promising trends there.

I should clarify that I'm not against solar as an important part of the energy mix, but it seems incredibly wasteful when we consider the sheer amount of material required in panels + storage to replicate the sustained output of a single fission plant, not all of which can be easily recycled. Solar hasn't historically been widespread enough for us to experience the issues associated with widespread end-of-lifing of components, but one look at the electronics industry and the waste it produces should tell us that it could be a massive problem we're kicking down the road. The sheer amount of material required to run the world on solar energy is staggering. Nuclear waste is comparatively a tiny and easily tractable problem by comparison - all the world's nuclear waste over a 50 year period could probably fit in a single underground site of sufficient volume.

There has been plenty of work done on smaller, safer fission reactor designs over the last 50 years, but the regulatory burden to get new designs approved & operational is extremely limiting. There's no way to do it without the support of government as things currently stand, and it's a pity - nuclear could provide 50%+ of the global energy mix emission-free with a relatively small footprint compared to solar, and certainly with far less in the way of materials input between plant construction & fissionable material (the latter producing 24,000,000 kWh from a single KG of U-235).

Re:Australia has enough solar, wind storage in pipeline to g... by toomuchtodo on Thursday March 21, 2019 @10:33AM (#19452764)
Solar decentralizes and democratizes energy generation. It’s waste (panels, mounts, inverters, wiring) is easily stored, transported, and recycled. It can be rapidly manufactured. There are no proliferation issues. It can be freely given to the third world to obviate their need for fossil or nuclear fuels.

Nuclear is worse in every other way except space used, and Earth is huge.

I will never understand the fawning over a technology that has proven so lackluster under human control. (Nuclear is fantastic with rigid controls such that the US Navy implements, but this never happens is commercial fleets)

Australia will be at 100% renewables before the first nuclear generator would come online if you broke ground today. We should stop mourning nuclear and keep ramping renewables and battery production. The model is proven at scale.

Re:Australia has enough solar, wind storage in pipeline to g... by ZeroGravitas on Thursday March 21, 2019 @01:41PM (#19455123)
The main attraction of nuclear, judging by the comments I see is that "silly environmentalists don't like it". It seems the people who bring it up enjoy the thought of other people being wrong more than they enjoy being correct themselves.

This was already a little sad, but now that the economic case has turned decisively against nuclear power, with things going badly for basically every nuclear project and things going better than expected for most renewables it's becoming absurd.

Re:Australia has enough solar, wind storage in pipeline to g... by mrpopo on Friday March 22, 2019 @03:16AM (#19460231)
> The main attraction of nuclear, judging by the comments I see is that "silly environmentalists don't like it". It seems the people who bring it up enjoy the thought of other people being wrong more than they enjoy being correct themselves.

Sorry, but you are the one making judgment calls and "enjoying being correct" here. I'm advocating for nuclear power, and I also understand the battle is mostly lost, so please don't act smug like this. Other than the economic case, there are massive hurdles on the way of a 100% renewables world, which I hope will be overcome, since that's obviously the way the world is going forward to now.

Re:Australia has enough solar, wind storage in pipeline to g... by marshray on Thursday March 21, 2019 @05:11PM (#19457356)
Are you kidding? Nukes are great at:

1. Producing large quantities of power

2. Continuously, for several decades

3. Hiding most of the costs until long after those responsible have become unaccountable

Re:Australia has enough solar, wind storage in pipeline to g... by c256 on Thursday March 21, 2019 @08:05PM (#19458548)
Solar and wind are reliable and economic in many parts of the world, but much less so in many parts of the world that already have very high population density. “Move everyone to a different part of the world” is an even less tractable approach than “figure out how to handle nuclear’s downsides”.

On top of that, while reliable and cheap renewables are “nearish future”, fusion tech is potentially not much less “nearish”, and would enable people to go back to living in Northern Europe, America, Asia, etc.

Note: I’m not trying to espouse or argue for a particular approach here; I’d trying to suggest some reasons why there might be so much (and such long-lived) “fawning over [nuclear] technology”. This is just some mildly educated guessing on my part.

Re:Australia has enough solar, wind storage in pipeline to g... by photojosh on Thursday March 21, 2019 @09:18PM (#19458897)
> Solar and wind are reliable and economic in many parts of the world, but much less so in many parts of the world that already have very high population density.

Hence why the article describes one of the projects under consideration is a massive renewables concentration in northern Australia (the population of that area is a rounding error), with the goal of exporting to Asia via undersea cable.

Re:Australia has enough solar, wind storage in pipeline to g... by mikepurvis on Thursday March 21, 2019 @10:32AM (#19452754)
You might be surprised how much nuclear waste is out there. A bunch of estimates on this thread put it in the "millions of cubic feet" range, which is considerably more than what could fit in a single underground site:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-total-mass-and-volume-of-a...

Note also that this is mostly just considering high level waste (like, the actual spend fuel rods and reactor parts), and not all low- and intermediate-level waste, of which there is a lot more:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_waste#Classificati...

Re:Australia has enough solar, wind storage in pipeline to g... by mrpopo on Friday March 22, 2019 @02:26AM (#19460053)
You are being misleading here.

If I follow your link, I read this: Over the past four decades, the entire industry has produced about 62,500 metric tons of used nuclear fuel. That's the high-level waste.

The rest of the comment goes on to explain that including all low- and intermediate-level waste, plus legacy waste from military activities, then it may reach the millions of cubic feet you're citing.

Low-level waste is not much more dangerous than the extra natural radiation you receive from a plane trip, so the real danger is high-level waste. And that can fit in a fraction of the space required for a single solar park.

Re:Australia has enough solar, wind storage in pipeline to g... by youngtaff on Thursday March 21, 2019 @10:39AM (#19452835)
UK estimates that the amount of nuclear wast we'll have (both high and low-level) will be smaller than the volume of one of the UK's national sports stadiums

https://nda.blog.gov.uk/2017/04/03/how-much-radioactive-wast...