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Re:Australia has enough solar, wind storage in pipeline to g... by toomuchtodo on Thursday March 21, 2019 @10:33AM (#19452764)
Solar decentralizes and democratizes energy generation. It’s waste (panels, mounts, inverters, wiring) is easily stored, transported, and recycled. It can be rapidly manufactured. There are no proliferation issues. It can be freely given to the third world to obviate their need for fossil or nuclear fuels.

Nuclear is worse in every other way except space used, and Earth is huge.

I will never understand the fawning over a technology that has proven so lackluster under human control. (Nuclear is fantastic with rigid controls such that the US Navy implements, but this never happens is commercial fleets)

Australia will be at 100% renewables before the first nuclear generator would come online if you broke ground today. We should stop mourning nuclear and keep ramping renewables and battery production. The model is proven at scale.

Re:Australia has enough solar, wind storage in pipeline to g... by ZeroGravitas on Thursday March 21, 2019 @01:41PM (#19455123)
The main attraction of nuclear, judging by the comments I see is that "silly environmentalists don't like it". It seems the people who bring it up enjoy the thought of other people being wrong more than they enjoy being correct themselves.

This was already a little sad, but now that the economic case has turned decisively against nuclear power, with things going badly for basically every nuclear project and things going better than expected for most renewables it's becoming absurd.

Re:Australia has enough solar, wind storage in pipeline to g... by mrpopo on Friday March 22, 2019 @03:16AM (#19460231)
> The main attraction of nuclear, judging by the comments I see is that "silly environmentalists don't like it". It seems the people who bring it up enjoy the thought of other people being wrong more than they enjoy being correct themselves.

Sorry, but you are the one making judgment calls and "enjoying being correct" here. I'm advocating for nuclear power, and I also understand the battle is mostly lost, so please don't act smug like this. Other than the economic case, there are massive hurdles on the way of a 100% renewables world, which I hope will be overcome, since that's obviously the way the world is going forward to now.

Re:Australia has enough solar, wind storage in pipeline to g... by marshray on Thursday March 21, 2019 @05:11PM (#19457356)
Are you kidding? Nukes are great at:

1. Producing large quantities of power

2. Continuously, for several decades

3. Hiding most of the costs until long after those responsible have become unaccountable

Re:Australia has enough solar, wind storage in pipeline to g... by c256 on Thursday March 21, 2019 @08:05PM (#19458548)
Solar and wind are reliable and economic in many parts of the world, but much less so in many parts of the world that already have very high population density. “Move everyone to a different part of the world” is an even less tractable approach than “figure out how to handle nuclear’s downsides”.

On top of that, while reliable and cheap renewables are “nearish future”, fusion tech is potentially not much less “nearish”, and would enable people to go back to living in Northern Europe, America, Asia, etc.

Note: I’m not trying to espouse or argue for a particular approach here; I’d trying to suggest some reasons why there might be so much (and such long-lived) “fawning over [nuclear] technology”. This is just some mildly educated guessing on my part.

Re:Australia has enough solar, wind storage in pipeline to g... by photojosh on Thursday March 21, 2019 @09:18PM (#19458897)
> Solar and wind are reliable and economic in many parts of the world, but much less so in many parts of the world that already have very high population density.

Hence why the article describes one of the projects under consideration is a massive renewables concentration in northern Australia (the population of that area is a rounding error), with the goal of exporting to Asia via undersea cable.