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Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by jdietrich on Friday November 26, 2010 @11:55PM (#1944323)
Never, never, not in a million years, listen to a single word of advice uttered by someone who isn't happy with their life. They have absolutely nothing to teach you. This is strong stuff, granted, but I think it is tremendously important.

Every single piece of bad advice I have ever received was from someone who didn't like their life. If you're unhappy, you have two basic options. You can do something to make yourself happier, or you can rationalise a reason why happiness isn't possible. The former is generally a steady upward slog. The latter is like quicksand - the longer you're there, the more solidly you become stuck.

All the bad career advice I got was from people who didn't like their job. Some believed that jobs were just inherently unpleasant, so you might as well go for the unpleasantness that pays the most and gives the best pension. Some believed that good jobs were just inaccessible for 'the likes of us', so there's no point getting you hopes up. Some were so uncertain of their employability that they took the first job offered to them and never dared do anything to jeopardise it. I heard rationalisations dressed up as philosophy, as ethics, as macroeconomics, but they were rationalisations all the same.

Learning from the mistakes of others is useful and productive, but an unhappy person can never provide any insight into how to be happy. Either they don't know what would make them happy, or worse, they do know but won't do it. Never underestimate how hard someone will work to rationalise why they just can't go back to college or start their own business or visit Europe or leave their awful wife.

When seeking advice, ignore status, intelligence and experience. Seek out the happy people, they're the only people who can help you.

Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by olalonde on Saturday November 27, 2010 @12:45AM (#1944398)
> Never, never, not in a million years, listen to a single word of advice uttered by someone who isn't happy with their life.

Out of curiosity, are you happy with your life? :)

Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by kriru on Saturday November 27, 2010 @02:39AM (#1944549)
lmao
Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by paolomaffei on Saturday November 27, 2010 @04:13AM (#1944659)
You might not understand why you are being downvoted since you are new there. Don't take it personally, is just that we don't want any kind of humour or otherwise pointless (as in: adds nothing to the conversation) informations. We are trying to keep the signal to noise ratio high, just say something only when it adds to the conversation and you'll do great!
Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by djacobs on Saturday November 27, 2010 @07:45PM (#1946294)
I don't think it's that we don't want humor—there is plenty of that on HN. I think it's that "lmao" is better conveyed (and with less noise, as you say) by an upvote.
Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by joelmichael on Saturday November 27, 2010 @04:10AM (#1944656)
I completely and profoundly disagree. Why do you think many great philosophers, intellectuals, and achievers have struggled with depression? Because they made bad decisions? There are plenty of idiots dispensing awful advice while wearing a smile on their face, as well. If you want to feel good, talk to a happy person that will tell you what you want to hear. If you want the truth, talk to a thinker.
Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by elptacek on Saturday November 27, 2010 @02:08PM (#1945596)
There's a difference between being "unhappy with life" and being "unhappy with your life." Maybe folks who style themselves as philosophers and intellectuals are incapable of making this delineation -- or that we, reading their writings, do not see them as having done so. Time, cultural shifts, language.. these things are all dense filters.

You will gain something by listening to anyone. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." And even though THAT advice is thousands of years old, we are nothing to each other if we cannot learn vicariously from shared experience.

Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by dansingerman on Sunday November 28, 2010 @08:22AM (#1947307)
Philosophers are great at philosophy, and finding out certain truths about the World.

But there are very few philosophers I would want to take advice from. I'd like a debate with Nietzsche, Schopenhaeur, Kant, ... and many others.

But would I take their advice about how to live my life in a pragmatic way? Hell, no.

Secondly, advice is about what you should do, not what is true. A subtle, but important, distinction.

Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by irahul on Saturday November 27, 2010 @05:34AM (#1944745)
I don't agree. As already point, many philosophers, scientists, programmers have been bitter people, largely unhappy with life.

Some people are bitter by design. No matter what I do, I will always have many complains to be unhappy about. Right now, I am trying to boot-up my startup. If it doesn't work, I will be bitter. If it works out, I will be bitter about my other pet peeve - schools killing creativity and I would like to contribute towards making it better. If it too is sorted out, I would be bitter about people being bitter about each other owing to religious, regional or some other non-rational biases. I am bitter about Government corruption and lack of infrastructure in my country. I am bitter about common man's rights not implemented in spirit. I am bitter about morons dividing people on religion and reason, and worse, people listening to them.

All of these isn't going to change(some might) in my lifetime. And the only way to be happy about it is to turn a blind eye. If happiness is ignorance, I don't seek it.

This would be blatant generalization, but many happy people I have met are blissfully ignorant. They have accepted life as is, and are happy with the current state of thing.

I generally listen to all advice, and ignore most of it - the adviser being happy or not doesn't figure in my criteria.

Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by mping on Saturday November 27, 2010 @07:52AM (#1944869)
I believe that unless you are chemically, neurologically or biologically imbalanced, there's no excuse to be bitter or unhappy. I won't discuss happiness here, but even if the advice of some bitter person is good, I would say that an advice of a person who I lookup to will always be "better".

Of course, things should be placed in context. An advice of a bitter math teacher on mathematics will always be better than an advice from a happy ignorant person.

On a personal note, don't be bitter. You can accomplish the same without the bitterness, it's just weighing you down.

Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by zoomzoom on Saturday November 27, 2010 @10:49AM (#1945136)
What does it mean to be chemically and biologically balanced?
Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by irahul on Saturday November 27, 2010 @12:30PM (#1945360)
It means the parent post assumes the world can be pigeonholed in whatever criteria he thinks/has been taught to be ideal. Anyone who doesn't fits there is abnormal in some way.

He assumes there is no reason to be unhappy, completely ignoring the various reasons I have pointed out and stated that ignoring them would lead to bliss, but that's not what I seek.

Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by mping on Sunday November 28, 2010 @10:02AM (#1947432)
It means that your body doesn't work as it was originally designed. Simple as that.
Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by joshuaxls on Saturday November 27, 2010 @05:54AM (#1944761)
Certainly never take advice about love from unhappy and cynical people.
Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by resdirector on Saturday November 27, 2010 @07:24AM (#1944845)
> Never, never, not in a million years, listen to a single word of advice uttered by someone who isn't happy with their life. They have absolutely nothing to teach you.

What about what-not-to-do advice?

Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by hga on Sunday November 28, 2010 @07:37AM (#1947249)
What not to do might be something they should have done, but couldn't for whatever reason.

You can go further than rationalization of one's choices to a desire to validate them by preventing success by others.

Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by neworbit on Saturday November 27, 2010 @01:10AM (#1944421)
I've gotten some great advice from folks who were not happy but were working like crazy to make their lives better. Your mileage may of course vary.
Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by conjectures on Saturday November 27, 2010 @04:40AM (#1944690)
" Some believed that good jobs were just inaccessible for 'the likes of us', so there's no point getting you hopes up. Some were so uncertain of their employability that they took the first job offered to them and never dared do anything to jeopardise it. "

This chimes with my personal experience. I suppose the demographic I'm from in the UK gave me certain blind spots and self imposed ceilings. I'm now 25 and only just starting to figure out and balance against them.

Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by arethuza on Saturday November 27, 2010 @05:30AM (#1944737)
In my opinion, those "self imposed ceilings" are far worse in the UK that any other limit to personal development - they also vary a lot given your background.

I grew up in a small fishing village in the North of Scotland - where everyone (and I mean everyone) was very supportive of education and the idea that anyone pretty much do anything they wanted if they had ability and worked hard enough. My parents weren't well off but all 4 of my siblings and I went to university.

My wife comes from a urban-working class background in a post-industrial area near Glasgow, she is extremely bright and went to University at 16. However, she had to constantly battle a "that's not for the likes of us" attitude from everyone in her community, including her parents (who are nice people, but just don't "get it").

When we first met she always made fun of me for having no concept of "class" whereas it was something that had always been made clear to her by her peers. Ironically, she became a lawyer and entered that bastion of upper middle class eccentric respectablilty: the Scottish Bar.

Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by SteveC on Saturday November 27, 2010 @10:09AM (#1945054)
I have a similar rule when it comes to business advice. It's only useful when coming from someone made rich through their own business. Of course there will be exceptions, but I've found this rule works from my own experiences. Maybe a more general rule would be to only take advice from people who already are where you want to be.
Re:Ask HN: What advice messed up your life? by berntb on Saturday November 27, 2010 @12:32AM (#1944380)
I buy the implication one way, but not the other.

>>When seeking advice, ignore status, intelligence and experience. Seek out the happy people, they're the only people who can help you.

That argument needs that I would become happy following the same path as the person giving advice. That is just not true for quite a few happy people I know.