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Re:Wall Street’s Latest Love Affair with Risky Repackaged Debt by gryfft on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @08:40AM (#19441435)
Yes, they lose more. They lose proportionally less. They're not winding up on the streets. It's disingenuous to pretend that it has anywhere near the impact on their lives as it does the other 99.9% of the participants in the economy.
Re:Wall Street’s Latest Love Affair with Risky Repackaged Debt by almost_usual on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @09:14AM (#19441727)
They definitely can end up in the streets. Some of the wealthiest people suffered the most during past crashes, most killed themselves before taking the streets. Read Devil Take the Hindmost.

Edit: I’m not going to search through this book to find sources that fit some criteria you’re looking for. Get off HN comments, read a book, and learn some financial history lessons.

Re:Wall Street’s Latest Love Affair with Risky Repackaged Debt by gryfft on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @09:19AM (#19441795)
I haven't read it, but I have a feeling we're not talking about the same people. I'm not talking about successful investors and millionaires. I'm talking specifically about net worth north of $200M in today's dollars. Not the people who jumped from their windows during the Depression. The ones who bought their stock and waited it out.

Edit: I've now read a few reviews and summaries of Devil Take The Hindmost. Its subtitle is "A History Of Financial Speculation," and it appears that its subject matter is not focused on ultra-wealthy persons with diversified portfolios being ruined by market corrections, but specifically speculators and frauds. At a glance, it doesn't look particularly relevant to this conversation.

Re:Wall Street’s Latest Love Affair with Risky Repackaged Debt by almost_usual on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @09:45AM (#19442058)
Some of the _wealthiest_ people in modern history have lost it all. A recent example is Eike Batista.
Re:Wall Street’s Latest Love Affair with Risky Repackaged Debt by gryfft on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @09:57AM (#19442199)
Batista is currently under arrest and has been sentenced to 30 years in prison for bribing disgraced Rio de Janeiro governor Sérgio Cabral, in order to secure public contracts, according to Wikipedia[0].

I'd prefer an example that isn't somebody who wound up in prison.

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eike_Batista

Re:Wall Street’s Latest Love Affair with Risky Repackaged Debt by almost_usual on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @09:59AM (#19442209)
Read the book then because I’m not going to search through it to cite a rich person who lost it all that fits your changing criteria.
Re:Wall Street’s Latest Love Affair with Risky Repackaged Debt by michaelmrose on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @03:40PM (#19446027)
Citing an entire book as a source is quite frankly a ridiculous suggestion. You are suggesting that the poster should spend hours proving your position for you when you wont spend a few minutes.
Re:Wall Street’s Latest Love Affair with Risky Repackaged Debt by gryfft on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @10:10AM (#19442314)
My criteria didn't change. I was talking about people who were ruined by the market, and your example seems to be someone who was ruined by his own crimes.
Re:Wall Street’s Latest Love Affair with Risky Repackaged Debt by Frondo on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @09:44AM (#19442039)
I would like to know of one ultra-wealthy individual who ended up possessing nothing and was made homeless; I don't intend this to be callous but while committing suicide is a tragedy but it does't mean some rich person was going to end up homeless. Being homeless means you're at a point where no one can or will take you in, and I have a very hard time imagining a hedge fund billionaire in that position.
Re:Wall Street’s Latest Love Affair with Risky Repackaged Debt by DataWorker on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @09:27AM (#19441862)
The poor rich people “who suffer the most” is a great point ironically. Loss is harder for those who have never had to face it.
Re:Wall Street’s Latest Love Affair with Risky Repackaged Debt by almost_usual on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @09:55AM (#19442174)
Honestly this is why I never want to be wealthy or even rich. Living middle class with a roof and food is plenty.
Re:Wall Street’s Latest Love Affair with Risky Repackaged Debt by geggam on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @09:40AM (#19441994)
Odd isnt it ?

They can declare bankruptcy and be free from all debt whereas your average college student cant escape.

Should we expect to see students jumping off of buildings soon ?

Re:Wall Street’s Latest Love Affair with Risky Repackaged Debt by scottlocklin on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @10:17AM (#19442408)
IMO schools should stand surety for students. Would solve many, many societal problems by putting their skin in the game, rather than using government subsidized loans that can't be defaulted.
Re:Wall Street’s Latest Love Affair with Risky Repackaged Debt by navigatesol on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @10:33AM (#19442603)
>They lose proportionally less. They're not winding up on the streets.

Yes, but the implication of OP is that these ultra-wealthy are crashing the system so they can then buy up everything around them. Where is the data to support this? The rich suffer during a recession too; no one is claiming they end up on the streets.

Re:Wall Street’s Latest Love Affair with Risky Repackaged Debt by zaro on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:26PM (#19443780)
> Where is the data to support this?

Have you checked the Oxfam reports? When you take a look at the last years, there is very clear trend. If it continues like this probably in few decades the richest one percent will own as much as the rest 99%.

Re:Wall Street’s Latest Love Affair with Risky Repackaged Debt by gryfft on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @10:37AM (#19442654)
>The rich suffer during a recession too;

I believe we're thinking of different definitions of the word "suffer." The qualitative difference to which I refer is that for one class of people, the "suffering" is restricted to numbers on ledgers going down, and for another class of people, said suffering can literally involve ending up on the streets.

Furthermore, someone else in these very comments is claiming the ultra-wealthy can wind up on the streets as a result of market forces.

Re:Wall Street’s Latest Love Affair with Risky Repackaged Debt by engineeringwoke on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @03:46PM (#19446079)
Debt is usually involved. That makes your calculus a little naive