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Re:Cockpit voice recorder of Lion Air jet depicts pilots' fr... by mlindner on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @06:34AM (#19440711)
That's incorrect, these have haptic feedback, once you grasp it, it's not going to fight you. It looks for resistance and if it sees the resistance it doesn't continue.
Re:Cockpit voice recorder of Lion Air jet depicts pilots' fr... by userbinator on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @08:21AM (#19441324)
Really? Here's a video of someone doing it, and it certainly looks like it tries to fight you (and the trim motor continues running) but there's a clutch that starts slipping:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQirIH_DuAs

Re:Cockpit voice recorder of Lion Air jet depicts pilots' fr... by heavenlyblue on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @06:53AM (#19440822)
You are still fighting it, aren't you?
Re:Cockpit voice recorder of Lion Air jet depicts pilots' fr... by verytrivial on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @06:50AM (#19440800)
Ah, Okay, thanks. What remaining automation would be driving the trim wheel in this case that grab-and-hold would countermand?