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Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by txcwpalpha on Friday March 15, 2019 @12:41PM (#19401380)
>it's trying to make things sound more nefarious than they were, and it's playing the guilt by association card

Are we reading the same article? If anything this article seems like a submarine PR puff piece to me, made to increase the image of Beto by making him seem "cool" and "hip" by associating him with the typically-seen-as-sexy "hacker" scene. This article is very similar to the pro-Beto stuff that was all over Texas during his senate campaign.

Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by eli on Friday March 15, 2019 @12:54PM (#19401564)
We are in a world where the exact same video of Beto skateboarding was posted by both opponents and supporters and each saw what they wanted in it.

I would challenge the idea that being a “hacker” polls well for a presidential candidate. Recall that “hacking” was a bit of a problem in 2016.

Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by js2 on Friday March 15, 2019 @07:07PM (#19405173)
Fox News: "Young Beto O'Rourke wrote 'murder fantasy' about running over children, was part of famed hacking group: report"

CNET: "Beto O'Rourke has serious hacker credentials. The presidential candidate was a member of hacker group Cult of the Dead Cow"

WaPo: "'Psychedelic Warlord': Beto O'Rourke's past life as a teenage hacker" and "Beto O’Rourke’s hacking universe, explained."

Sources:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/beto-orourke-wrote-murder-f...

https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/beto-orourke-has-seriou...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/psychedelic-wa...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/15/beto-orou...

Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by micheljansen on Saturday March 16, 2019 @02:26AM (#19406629)
I thought you made these headlines up to show how the same news might hypothetically be presented by different outlets and thought you got them pretty spot on. Then I saw the sources. What a sad world we live in.
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by smoyer on Friday March 15, 2019 @10:26PM (#19406025)
You forgot buzzfeed ... you won't believe the ten things Beto O'Rourke did to win the White House.
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by sophacles on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:13PM (#19401811)
There's another side of that "hacking was a bit of a problem in 2016" - namely that tech savvy politicians are in short supply[1]. Associating Beto with a well known hacker group boosts his credibility wrt tech.

[1] particularly when combined with tonedeaf and heavy handed legislation/regulation about the internet.

Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by ChuckMcM on Friday March 15, 2019 @03:49PM (#19403520)
This will be an interesting conversation (tech savvy vs tech dumb) to play out this round.

The current president argued during his campaign that the problems with the country arose from "bad deals" and his experience and expertise at "deal making" was the solution to this problem.

Beto might argue during his campaign that the problems with the country arise from unacknowledged cyber warfare in both social media and voting systems. He could then argue that he is uniquely qualified to lead the government to a more solid footing in that regard and protect the democracy.

Both are simplistic arguments of the form problem is X, I'm an expert in X, I can lead a group to fix X.

Opponents will of course spin up the fear of X and especially if X can be used to achieve the goals of the proponent, try to paint them as being part of the problem not the solution.

Unlike the current administrations "Space" force, I could see a justification for a "Cyber" force if such a force provided protection against, and options for maneuver in an algorithmically generated battlefield.

Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by ganoushoreilly on Friday March 15, 2019 @06:30PM (#19404926)
We already have a "Cyber force", offensive operations legally fall under the overview of the D.o.D (Cyber Command & the NSA components (TAO)).
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by usefulcat on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:21PM (#19401912)
Only among people (as here) who have much greater than average tech knowledge, and probably a far more nuanced understanding of the various possible meanings of "hacker".

Elsewhere, the words "hacker" and "hacking" have an almost universally negative connotation.

Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by romwell on Friday March 15, 2019 @02:18PM (#19402583)
>Only among people (as here) who have much greater than average tech knowledge

Which might be the whole point of this piece:

>But the political balance allows him to appeal to both main strands of political thought in Silicon Valley – a key source of campaign money and cultural influence.

Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by JumpCrisscross on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:49PM (#19402245)
> I would challenge the idea that being a “hacker” polls well for a presidential candidate

He’s a candidate in a primary. Big difference in the audiences.

Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by dragonwriter on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:54PM (#19402305)
> He’s a candidate in a primary. Big difference in the audiences.

The Democratic primary electorate is probably the segment of the population with the strongest negative impact around the 2016 election hacking that was evoked in the grandparent post, so while true your comment reinforces rather than negates the point.

Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by akiselev on Friday March 15, 2019 @02:09PM (#19402479)
It gives him at least a touch of credibility in a time where the Democratic primary voters increasingly turn on CSPAN to watch Congressional Committee hearings and watch as a vast majority of their 535 representatives butcher basic facts about technology that they internalized since teenagers. Given the rapid pace of technological development, I don't see this as a negative, assuming he didn't do anything more nefarious than phreak or pirate as a kid.
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by ams6110 on Friday March 15, 2019 @03:37PM (#19403388)
And he's just somebody new. Parties seem to have a tendency to wheel out old candidates who have tried and failed to get past the primaries multiple times already (thinking of Biden, in particular here, but that's just one example). Not sure why that is.
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by dragonwriter on Friday March 15, 2019 @03:47PM (#19403496)
> Parties seem to have a tendency to wheel out old candidates

Parties don't wheel out candidates, candidates seek the party nomination. Candidates who have done so in the past and whose on-paper qualifications and public esteem have increased since then often remain inclined to do so and have a basis for expecting they might do better.

Many party voters are also inclined to vote for these candidates; some of these are long time supporters.

I'm more surprised that candidates whose resume includes only some local politics, a few terms in the House, and a failed Senate bid throw their hat in to the Presidential ring than that those that spent 36 years in the Senate and run for President twice before, serving for eight years as Vice President after his most recent Presidential run, do so.

Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by freshm087 on Friday March 15, 2019 @02:37PM (#19402789)
Highly politicized voters tend to see things through a tribal lense: our tribe resists bad people with fists if necessary, their tribe does violence. Our leader has a freethinking stance to sex, their leader is sexual predator. There are of course a few of universally bad, and universally good things, but "hacker" certainly doesn't fall to these categories.
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by Uhhrrr on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:23PM (#19401935)
This sort of thing where both fans and haters have to talk about the same thing has been very good to AOC and Trump.
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by remarkEon on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:41PM (#19402135)
>I would challenge the idea that being a “hacker” polls well for a presidential candidate.

I agree with this. It seems an odd stance to take (assuming O'Rourke commissioned, or was at least okay with, this piece) given how other candidates are taking an explicitly hostile stance toward Big Tech. The media has done a fantastic job of convincing people that "election hacking" was a huge problem in 2016 (it wasn't), so it's curious why whatever consultant is working for this campaign decided this was good positioning.

Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by save_ferris on Friday March 15, 2019 @12:45PM (#19401438)
From the article:

Still, it’s unclear whether the United States is ready for a presidential contender who, as a teenager, stole long-distance phone service for his dial-up modem, wrote a murder fantasy in which the narrator drives over children on the street, and mused about a society without money.

This doesn't read as very pro-Beto to me.

Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by txcwpalpha on Friday March 15, 2019 @12:50PM (#19401503)
A single sentence in an otherwise glamorizing and embellishing article does not a anti-Beto piece make.

That sentence doesn't even read as not pro-Beto to me, either. It's more of a neutral "this guy is really cool, but is he cool enough?" rhetorical.

Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by michaelt on Friday March 15, 2019 @02:09PM (#19402481)
"wrote a murder fantasy in which the narrator drives over children on the street" doesn't sound particularly pro-Beto to me?
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by romwell on Friday March 15, 2019 @02:19PM (#19402606)
"Wrote a fantasy-novel equivalent of GTA", how about that?
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by flycaliguy on Friday March 15, 2019 @04:52PM (#19404188)
It seems beto-safe to me. Of all the details in this story, this child death fiction no doubt required a strategic approach. It's the weirdest of the bunch and the sort of thing that an opponent would love.

In this case, it seems the best way to play it was to just cut to the chase. Summarize it as brutally as Trump could and just be the first to say it. Get it out there so that an opponent can't ride it's energy.

Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by rdtsc on Saturday March 16, 2019 @12:27AM (#19406353)
It depends on how it's it's spun. They could be trying to sell his cool "bad boy" image. Some polling research must have shown them this is appealing to enough voters and others are not paying too much attention. He already has the DUI thing and apparently wrote a fantasy novel about running over children with his car. So maybe they don't have much to lose and might as well go for the cool troublemaker / hacker thing.
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by madeofpalk on Friday March 15, 2019 @12:47PM (#19401470)
It's unclear why the author of the article is unsure what type of president the US is ready for, right after they elected Donald Trump.
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by barbecue_sauce on Friday March 15, 2019 @12:52PM (#19401537)
'typically-seen-as-sexy "hacker" scene'? By who?

His association with At The Drive-In gives him more street cred than any tenuous relationship with hacking.

Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by txcwpalpha on Friday March 15, 2019 @12:58PM (#19401605)
Society glamorizes hackers hard. Have you ever seen War Games? The Matrix? Live Free or Die Hard? Mr Robot? Blackhat? Any recent spy movie? What about the multitude of other movies/shows where hackers aren't the focus, but are certainly glamorized, a la NCIS, CSI, Limitless, etc. There's an entire genre of film & television about hackers and they are almost always portrayed as cool, attractive, powerful people with the world at their fingertips.
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by myself248 on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:52PM (#19402283)
It's almost an exact copy-paste of the "spy / secret agent" mythos of the cold war.

They don't use their real names, they have gadgets and mysterious power, not from magic but from skill. They operate outside traditional power structures and governments, you don't know who's working for whom, and they never seem far from a trenchcoat.

Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by merlincorey on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:20PM (#19401895)
I'm sad that you failed to mention the original /Hackers/ movie as well as /Swordfish/ -- two staples of Defcon movie nights.
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by txcwpalpha on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:31PM (#19402028)
Ah! I had Swordfish in mind but my brain blanked and I couldn't think of the name. For Hackers, I have no excuse.
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by appleiigs on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:55PM (#19402318)
Sneakers with Robert Redford
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by merlincorey on Friday March 15, 2019 @02:05PM (#19402440)
Yes! Another great classic Hacker flick.
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by classichasclass on Friday March 15, 2019 @03:23PM (#19403257)
Sneakers worked well because it had A-list actors playing up the social engineering aspect, which an A-list actor can do. It had comparatively little meditation on the hardware and technical aspects and from a plot and longevity perspective I think that was a particular strength of the movie.
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by js2 on Friday March 15, 2019 @07:15PM (#19405212)
> Society glamorizes hackers hard.

Hollywood glamorizes hackers, like violence, crime, rock n roll, space travel, and just about everything else hard.

At the risk of hyperbole, if society glamorized hackers hard, Aaron Swartz might still be with us.

Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by barbecue_sauce on Saturday March 16, 2019 @04:09PM (#19409939)
This was what I was going to say. I'm not sure society itself has internalized Hollywood's glamorization of hackers, and the glamorization is more a product of trying to make something mundane seem more interesting in the context of a film.
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by saalweachter on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:44PM (#19402164)
... have you seen War Games?
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by txcwpalpha on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:53PM (#19402287)
You mean the movie where a quirky-but-lovable nerd garners the attention of an attractive and popular girl who is fascinated by his hacking abilities and then goes on to kiss the girl, outsmart the FBI, and save the entire world from nuclear annihilation by typing stuff into a computer terminal? That WarGames?

Yea, I've seen it.

Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by icedchai on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:57PM (#19402348)
War Games is what made me want to get a modem, back in the 80's!
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by flycaliguy on Friday March 15, 2019 @04:00PM (#19403643)
This 100%. It's obviously tidying up a situation which could break bad in somebody else's hands.
Re:Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group by danso on Friday March 15, 2019 @03:34PM (#19403352)
Agreed. Beto’s biggest concern is the Dem primary, and his biggest criticism is being too centrist and status quo. Appearing to be ahead of the tech curve and walking the edge of hacker-disobedience makes him more palatable to his critics during the primary phase.