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Re:Tesla Model Y by clouddrover on Friday March 15, 2019 @11:49AM (#19400758)
> VW et al won't be able to launch a similar offer before 2022.

Volkswagen will launch multiple models across multiple brands before 2022. The Porsche Taycan is launching before 2022:

https://www.engadget.com/2019/03/09/porche-taycan-ev-20-000-...

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a21239...

And the VW ID Neo: https://electrek.co/2019/03/13/vw-id-electric-hatchback-pre-...

And the VW ID Crozz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8zbuvzEA5A

And the Audi e-tron Q4: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/audi-q4-e-tron-concept-ge...

And the Audi e-tron GT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsXhl3ilU9I

And the Skoda Vision IV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O72uf9DNakk

And the SEAT el-Born: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umwlXFoSAD8

Re:Tesla Model Y by rcMgD2BwE72F on Friday March 15, 2019 @12:40PM (#19401363)
I'm all for more EVs, but anyone who's followed the EV space for the past decade knows that most of these models are DOA.

Take the Audi e-tron for instance: the director of the Paris showroom (the only place in Europe where the car was displayed in public) himself told me late last year that they don't intend to sell the car in volume, that it can't compete with the competition, and that EV sales are mostly PR for a company like Audi (at least until ICE don't make most of the company's profits).

NB: this is not a regular dealership, but a fully owned and controlled store by Audi. Good luck with that!

Re:Tesla Model Y by clouddrover on Friday March 15, 2019 @06:46PM (#19405030)
Meanwhile, Porsche is making its most popular model electric only:

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/porsche-macan-electric-on...

You're not being realistic. Volkswagen will be the biggest producer of electric cars within 3 years.

Re:Tesla Model Y by lovemenot on Saturday March 16, 2019 @08:30PM (#19411372)
>> Volkswagen will be the biggest producer of electric cars within 3 years.

Not least due to their outsized presence in the world's most important market for EV - China

Re:Tesla Model Y by sergiosgc on Friday March 15, 2019 @12:21PM (#19401090)
> There will be many models launched before 2022.

And there have been many models launched before today. None are even close to model S levels of production volume, performance, range and battery durability.

If your reference is the Porsche Taycan, it is the equivalent to the Tesla Roadster: a low volume proof of concept. It is already more than ten years late (the Roadster launched in '08). If your reference is anything based on VW's MEB (VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda), add two years to publicized launch dates, as the MEB went back to the drawing board, deemed under-specced for what the market expects from EVs. This means production plants have not yet started to get designed, much less built, and are waiting on platform redesign and approval.

Re:Tesla Model Y by clouddrover on Friday March 15, 2019 @12:27PM (#19401176)
You really should read and view the links. Both the Porsche Taycan and the Audi e-tron GT are in the Model S's category, and they're both much nicer cars.

The Porsche Taycan will charge faster than any Tesla and won't suffer the Model S's overheating issues:

http://www.thedrive.com/news/5207/this-video-reminds-us-that...

Re:Tesla Model Y by labcomputer on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:06PM (#19401699)
I think you mean: you speculate that the GT and Taycan will be in same category as the Model S and will be nicer than the roadster. Since literally nobody outside of VAG has sat in one.

You may also want to walk back the claims about overheating. In one of the press videos, a Porsche engineer explicitly says that the number of hard accelerations over a short time will be limited to 10, or so.

Re:Tesla Model Y by clouddrover on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:13PM (#19401816)
> Since literally nobody outside of VAG has sat in one.

Here's a person sitting in one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNw15W_EK8

Here's another person sitting in one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMEdiq2xTbQ

And yet another person sitting in one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2i8uS_q6kE

And another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZFcjJ-PCbs

Is that literal enough?

Re:Tesla Model Y by xedeon on Friday March 15, 2019 @10:48PM (#19406107)
Take a look at this:

https://www.wired.com/2009/12/audis-electric-e-tron-is-real-...

That article is from 2009, a full decade ago. It's a prime example why people are very weary when it comes to VAG announcing concept EVs. It's not a contender until I can actually purchase one.

Any car manufacturer can create a concept EV with relative ease. That's the easy part. Taking it to production (especially at scale) is the hardest part.

Re:Tesla Model Y by clouddrover on Friday March 15, 2019 @11:05PM (#19406150)
That was then, this is now. The investments have been made and the direction has been set.

There's no point trying to concoct a narrative that this is all somehow vaporware. You can pre-order your VW ID Neo in 7 weeks:

https://electrek.co/2019/03/13/vw-id-electric-hatchback-pre-...

Re:Tesla Model Y by collinmanderson on Saturday March 16, 2019 @12:43PM (#19408701)
Amazing. They had a police motorcade surrounding them.
Re:Tesla Model Y by rcMgD2BwE72F on Friday March 15, 2019 @12:40PM (#19401372)
>The Porsche Taycan will charge faster than any Tesla

Where?

Re:Tesla Model Y by clouddrover on Friday March 15, 2019 @12:42PM (#19401395)
At every 350 kW charger:

https://insideevs.com/first-ionity-350-kw-chargers-denmark/

When will Tesla introduce 350 kW charging?