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Re:Tesla Model Y by martin_bech on Friday March 15, 2019 @04:00AM (#19397581)
How do you explain Teslas higher safety record if that was true?

Its absolutely no problem using a Touch screen, have been for 4 years and 100.000km in my Model S.

Re:Tesla Model Y by netsharc on Friday March 15, 2019 @04:09AM (#19397629)
Sigh... "This car has a higher safety record, it has a touch screen, that must mean touch screens are safer!".
Re:Tesla Model Y by wrve on Friday March 15, 2019 @04:24AM (#19397714)
I think the argument they try to make is that the car is safe despite of the touchscreen.
Re:Tesla Model Y by stingraycharles on Friday March 15, 2019 @04:43AM (#19397794)
But that could be because of all the safety features. How do you know it would not be even safer without the touchscreen?
Re:Tesla Model Y by natch on Friday March 15, 2019 @07:30AM (#19398646)
You have it backwards. The claim is that touch screens are less safe. The claim is being presented with evidence that contradicts the claim. That’s not the same as making a new claim that touch screens are safer.

Sigh.

Re:Tesla Model Y by saiya-jin on Friday March 15, 2019 @05:30AM (#19398033)
I can guarantee you that every time I take my sight off the road, even down to speed/rev/consumption/etc screen behind the steering wheel, I can't properly register whats happening in front of me. Have enough driving experience in various cars to see this is consistent. I can clearly register car in front of me slamming the brakes or similar bright event, but for example a deer running across the road, nope. Or car changing lane, especially without any lights on during day (btw why the heck is this not mandatory everywhere, all the time? it can literally save lives every single effin' day).

Central panel is much worse in this - there can be an atomic blast on the horizon and I wouldn't notice it, its just too far on periphery of the vision. It is bad, it is lame, and what is/was perceived as 'premium' feature is actually cheaping out on customers.

I have 15-year old beamer which doesn't even support mp3, and on board computer means it shows me outside temperature and consumption. Everything is manual, with dedicated knobs of various shapes. I love it and wouldn't want anything else (which is worrying since this stupid trend took over whole car industry and eventually I will have to switch my car).

Re:Tesla Model Y by natch on Friday March 15, 2019 @07:20AM (#19398591)
>I can guarantee you that every time I take my sight off the road, even down to speed/rev/consumption/etc screen behind the steering wheel, I can't properly register whats happening in front of me.

Maybe your controls are too dark and hard to read. I haven’t had this problem with the large Tesla screen, although I almost never have to look at it. When I do it’s very clear and the important things are in known fixed places and easy to read.

If I do need to look at the screen I can turn on auto pilot or cruise control, a subset of autopilot functionality. Cruise control can be turned on at 0 mph or higher, and it follows the speed limit, dynamically updating as it changes, with user-adjustable leeway above or below. The cruise control maintains distance to the car in front of me and slows or stops for deer running across the road. Yes other cars have this but the point is it takes care of that point about cars stopping suddenly. So no worries while glancing at the screen. I’m not sure what it does for your hyperbolic atomic bomb scenario.

All in all, it’s not as bad as you think, although for some it does require a taste adjustment I guess.

Re:Tesla Model Y by martin_a on Friday March 15, 2019 @08:12AM (#19398919)
> especially without any lights on during day (btw why the heck is this not mandatory everywhere, all the time? it can literally save lives every single effin' day).

Nope. This kills cyclists and motorbike riders. Our eyes/mind get used to headlights and don't see any speciality in them anymore which leads to overlooking those as they are just part of the normal scenery.

In former times, when only motorbikes were driving with headlights in bright daylight, you were much more aware of the fact that there was a "special vehicle" approaching you.

Re:Tesla Model Y by oblio on Friday March 15, 2019 @05:14AM (#19397955)
Higher safety record? You mean this: https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-model-s-achieves-best-safet...? Isn't that just a bunch of crash tests?
Re:Tesla Model Y by martin_bech on Friday March 15, 2019 @07:47AM (#19398754)
No im talking about accidents pr. mile which is way lower for Teslas, than the average.
Re:Tesla Model Y by oblio on Friday March 15, 2019 @08:05AM (#19398868)
Same, irrelevant. The average includes much cheaper cars, much older cars, cars with way worse security features, etc.

How's Tesla doing compared to the upper-mid range or luxury cars?

Re:Tesla Model Y by bcaulfield on Friday March 15, 2019 @05:32AM (#19398044)
Perhaps, so, but they're boring. I want big clicky buttons, large clacky nobs, and ostentatious levers.
Re:Tesla Model Y by natch on Friday March 15, 2019 @06:55AM (#19398477)
So, what car do you think is best in these respects?
Re:Tesla Model Y by pampa on Friday March 15, 2019 @07:22AM (#19398607)
bmw
Re:Tesla Model Y by natch on Friday March 15, 2019 @07:33AM (#19398661)
Huh, makes sense. I see you’re not op (that’s fine of course) but I’ll have to check out their electric models.
Re:Tesla Model Y by martin_bech on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:39PM (#19402120)
Bmws have a touchpad, all new Bmws have a toucscreen. The only electric Bmw, the i3 has a touchscreen..