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Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by Shivetya on Friday March 08, 2019 @10:03AM (#19338053)
She has no proof, she does not need any. this is typical politician using FUD to scare the populace into letting them take actions which in the end only go to bolster their own campaign coffers and personal riches. With the upcoming Presidential campaign you can expect politicians tripping over each other using jealously and fear to get people to plea for action.

Amazon is not a Standard Oil by any measure as they have ample competition when it comes to online sales. Facebook is still an opt in environment. If you don't want to join facebook you don't have to and no retailer is dumb enough (well that might not be true but I haven't found one) to require you to be a facebook member to purchase products or services. Google is, well google. I don't have to use their search engine if I don't want to.

Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by logicchains on Friday March 08, 2019 @10:19AM (#19338230)
>Google is, well google. I don't have to use their search engine if I don't want to.

When threads like this come up I always wonder how the engineers who worked on Bing must feel. I'd feel pretty disheartened if people had such a low opinion of my product that my competitor was considered a monopoly.

Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by fluffycat on Friday March 08, 2019 @10:31AM (#19338347)
I think Bing engineers laugh uncontrollably when people at HN claims DuckDuckGo is a search engine.
Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by ajhurliman on Friday March 08, 2019 @05:33PM (#19342860)
Seems like they're doing fine https://duckduckgo.com/traffic
Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by lawrenceyan on Friday March 08, 2019 @06:15PM (#19343184)
No, the reason OP made that comment is because duckduckgo uses Bing by default to power its search. So duckduckgo is literally just Bing with a duck taped over it basically.
Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by ajhurliman on Tuesday March 12, 2019 @01:52PM (#19371005)
Oh, I didn't know, thanks for that
Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by fluffycat on Monday March 11, 2019 @07:44AM (#19358190)
Exactly.
Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by Bhilai on Friday March 08, 2019 @11:52AM (#19339299)
Bing is as good as Google in many cases and is better than Google in some cases. IMO, thats no small feat. Bing is profitable too, unlike many other silicon valley companies so I don't think they feel disheartened.
Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by nerfhammer on Friday March 08, 2019 @11:40AM (#19339170)
They're not using the traditional definition of monopoly meaning lack of competition, now monopoly just means "too big".
Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by tzumby on Friday March 08, 2019 @10:28AM (#19338326)
I read an article a while back about the team behind Bing. I think they had some of the best people working there and they must feel pretty proud. I think after the project picket up and they started managing them from top up most of them left. I tried looking for the article but can’t find it anymore
Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by stilist on Friday March 08, 2019 @10:19AM (#19338227)
Amazon has competition, but what competitor can afford to intentionally lose millions or billions a year in order to dominate a market segment?
Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by sigstoat on Friday March 08, 2019 @09:44PM (#19344130)
if you rephrase that as "Amazon has competition, but what competitor can afford to intentionally give consumers millions or billions of value a year in order to dominate a market segment?" it seems sort of generous?

they're taking all this money from venture capitalists funding startups running on AWS, and pumping it into their retail operation so that the working class can have cheaper goods.

and everyone involved in the process consents to it, even!

Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by wongarsu on Friday March 08, 2019 @11:13AM (#19338828)
> Google is, well google. I don't have to use their search engine if I don't want to

I don't have a problem with the dominance of their search engine. I have problems with them using their search engine and other platforms to prompt you to use Chrome, or how they use their quasi-monopoly on Android app marketplaces to force manufacturers to preload just about every Google App in existance on Android phones. Then there's various Google services (some of them near monopolies) performing much worse on anything but Chrome.

If Google would be just search I wouldn't have anything against them, but they are notorious for using the market position of one of their products to push another.

Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by jhall1468 on Friday March 08, 2019 @11:23AM (#19338964)
> If Google would be just search I wouldn't have anything against them, but they are notorious for using the market position of one of their products to push another.

So does every department and grocery store in the US, and they have for decades, but nobody seems terribly bothered by Great Value at Walmart, or the the notorious contract negotiations with Walmart that put suppliers at a huge disadvantage, because if you want to be a national brand you need to be in Walmart.

But it's much better to talk about fantasy monopolies because they make nice sound bites.

Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by matchbok on Friday March 08, 2019 @10:15AM (#19338191)
That's not how antitrust works. At all.
Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by throwawaymath on Friday March 08, 2019 @10:23AM (#19338281)
How does antitrust work?