Yes
> religion (which was more unquestionable
No - America was founded as a country on freedom of religion, which is why it ended up with thousands of little groups from a state of polyamorists to some guys who really liked making furniture.
> than say, global warming is today)
Trolling
> extreme version of the modern liberal
Trolling. Also please choose whether Jefferson was an extreme liberal or a conservative prisoner of the prejudices of his time.
> they deserve some credit for their heroic bravery and ideas on liberty
Yes. There was also the question, even at the time, of how well they were going to live up to what they meant on liberty. They wrote "all men are created equal" into the declaration of independence then immediately spent the next 200 years arguing that meant "not all men". Some of the co-signatories were there at the time arguing against slavery, it's just that Jefferson was on the other side of this particular issue.
I'm not aware you are rebelling against our government for the atrocities which exist in the world today.
The rest of your post is dismissive of not asinine, and even against HN guidelines.
Both Washington and Jefferson owned plantations that profited from slave labor. Your comparison with the modern liberal should try to take that fact into account.
The parent comment suggests some glaring flaw in their conception of liberty. Was it a glaring flaw? Yes. But it's important to understand that in the context of their belief system.
Do you eat animal products? Have you any idea what kind of abuses take place? Do you consume products produced by people whose lives are defined by insecure access to healthcare, safety or even nutrition? Do you contribute to the horrendous destruction of our environment? Work in sv? How many homeless people do you step over on your way to work?
It would be better if people got off their moral high horses and stopped taking for granted the liberty and prosperiry they have available to them here in America.
And politicians and bureaucrats certainly profit from those very schemes.
You’re being downvoted because you chose to regurgitate alt-right theology to lay history’s problems at the doorstep of “liberal guilt”
The largest group of benificaries of public education? Whites.
The largest group of beneficiaries of welfare? Whites.
Your ad hominen attack seems especially ridiculous to me as I've never even visited an alt right website or community in my life with the exception of voat--when reddit started mass waves of censorship and politicking--which I havent even since returned to in years.
This is just spin doctoring and propaganda. Otherwise, your "logic" would make this man "Alt-Right." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell
There is an empirical basis to question the effects of “liberal guilt.”
https://www.creators.com/read/thomas-sowell/11/14/a-legacy-o...
Take the Russian communist revolution of 1917. Had Lenin been an American and the coup/revolution been american... Do you think that by the late 20th century, the US and Soviet Union's positions would have been reversed?
I don't think we can really answer that, but to me, "yes" feels like an old fashioned answer. I don't think a founding philosophy or constitution (or anything really) has such a deterministic effect. I'm more in the "one-damned thing after another" camp.
If you're asking the broader question of whither the (self-proclaimed) state capitalist countries that came out of the retrenchment when those revolutions failed, I think there's still an answer there. They developed differently, used their resources, and prioritized different things than more liberal capitalist ones in ways that you can make some broad claims about. But they did so in a context, as did the liberal and non-aligned/miscellaneous blocs.