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Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by keesj on Thursday February 28, 2019 @04:20AM (#19270102)
Hi all. About 2.5 years ago I created Highscore Money. I was looking at pay-to-play games and wondered what would happen if you'd take it to the extreme. The result was just a leaderboard you'd pay your way into. Whatever you pay, that's your score.

Today, I'm launching a new social experiment. A chatroom where you pay for every message you send. Normally chatrooms can get messy quick, because there's no cost to sending a message. Expensive Chat changes this dynamic.

Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by jstanley on Thursday February 28, 2019 @04:53AM (#19270209)
What makes this a social experiment rather than a simple cash grab? Are you donating all the money to a charity?
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by baby on Thursday February 28, 2019 @06:11AM (#19270537)
Are you shaming HN users for trying to monetize something?
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by rplnt on Thursday February 28, 2019 @06:26AM (#19270598)
They are shaming them for using the "social experiment" label.
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by Yetanfou on Thursday February 28, 2019 @08:16AM (#19271098)
That question is comparable to the type of question which is often used in politics to silence opponents. In that sense it should be against HN rules, as to whether it is I don't know.

As far as I'm concerned he just asked a question which can be answered without the need for 'defenders' to show up and challenge the questioner - and with that stifle the discourse here.

Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by vinceguidry on Thursday February 28, 2019 @09:14AM (#19271407)
The same logic applies to the question you're replying to. Were it me that was asked the question, I'd simply say "no, I was just curious."
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by 0-_-0 on Thursday February 28, 2019 @05:16AM (#19270320)
If the money was donated this would just make this an alternative way to donate money to charity, the creator pocketing the money is necessary for this to be a social experiment.
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by kgwgk on Thursday February 28, 2019 @06:34AM (#19270624)
He could give the money to me and the “social experiment” part would be unaffected, I think. He could burn the money. Keeping it is not really out of necessity.
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by stfwn on Thursday February 28, 2019 @08:10AM (#19271063)
Give the money to the person who spent the most until someone overtakes them and gets the money next.
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by cglace on Thursday February 28, 2019 @08:36AM (#19271210)
So basically a dollar auction except the richest person always wins?
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by PavlovsCat on Thursday February 28, 2019 @06:25AM (#19270596)
But that just makes it an alternative to giving the creator money directly.

"How is this a plane? Is it made of wool?"

"If it was made of wool it would be a comfy hat, it not being made of wool is necessary for it to be a plane. Notice how I'm not even claiming that it's a plane."

Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by pluma on Thursday February 28, 2019 @07:02AM (#19270732)
Neato. I'll just refer to beggars and scammers as "social experimenters" from now on then.
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by pluma on Thursday February 28, 2019 @07:01AM (#19270726)
When famed game designer Peter Molyneux came back out of hiding to launch his mobile games with a company called 22cans he also used the "social experiment" label to justify a pay-to-win clicker game and a "crowdfunded" god game with in-app purchases (that were later removed).

The answer is: "social experiment" apps and games are just cash grabs with a veneer of clever marketing to them. The Million Dollar Homepage was probably the first one this blatant though.

The outcome of the "experiment" is known in advance: people will pay unreasonable amounts of money for objectively worthless things if you can convince enough of them that it's cool. If it were an actual experiment, there would be some analysis published after the fact and the money would either be reimbursed or donated.

Social experiments aren't experiments and they're mostly anti-social if anything. In video content it's code for (staged) "prank" (or harassment). In cases like this it's code for "grifting".

Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by benj111 on Thursday February 28, 2019 @08:41AM (#19271230)
"In cases like this it's code for "grifting""

Are you accusing the pay per letter scheme of being grifting?

How? They aren't misleading anybody.

Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by vortico on Thursday February 28, 2019 @04:59AM (#19270237)
What makes this different than any other business idea that legally convinces customers to part with their money?
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by jstanley on Thursday February 28, 2019 @05:01AM (#19270245)
The same as the difference between any other business idea that legally convinces customers to part with their money, and any social experiment.
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by spdionis on Thursday February 28, 2019 @04:57AM (#19270228)
It's an experiment on how much cash you can grab :)
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by johnisgood on Thursday February 28, 2019 @06:22AM (#19270585)
I think it is possible to do both, at the same time. :D
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by Kinnard on Thursday February 28, 2019 @07:05AM (#19270748)
What makes this not a social experiment?
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by benj111 on Thursday February 28, 2019 @08:33AM (#19271203)
If you donate the money, that changes the dynamic of the experiment.

How would you differentiate between cash grab and social experiment?

Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by onion2k on Thursday February 28, 2019 @06:53AM (#19270705)
Who says you can't profit from an experiment?
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by kome on Thursday February 28, 2019 @05:24AM (#19270358)
son, i have to explain you a couple of things about capitalism... ;)
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by comboy on Thursday February 28, 2019 @05:03AM (#19270258)
I see a following potential issue: when it becomes popular, company advertising product is much more likely to spend $1 than the average user.

Interestingly enough that should hold true regardless of the price (assuming popularity, and very low risk that this is all just generated by a single person). Because users who spend more money are a more valuable target.

Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by Aromasin on Thursday February 28, 2019 @05:15AM (#19270315)
Thing is, if it becomes more popular it becomes more spammed by ads and thus decrease in popularity, resulting it becoming less desirable to advertise on. Definitely an interesting social experiment, as well as a great cash grab. I'd love to see some data on the relationship between advertisement frequency and user-ship.
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by TrickyRick on Thursday February 28, 2019 @06:49AM (#19270692)
Didn't this happen to the donation leaderboards on Humble Bundle? I recall that being the case a few years ago at least. Of course all the money went to a good cause so it's all good.
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by aur09 on Thursday February 28, 2019 @05:01AM (#19270244)
Every message so far is some form of test. And what else would you expect? Nobody will care to continue chatting if there is no purpose uniting the room, especially when the more you participate the worse off you are. What are you hoping to achieve here? Or is this just a useless gimmick to get you a couple bucks?
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by jpatokal on Thursday February 28, 2019 @08:29AM (#19271175)
Now there's spam as well. Progress!
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by codeulike on Thursday February 28, 2019 @06:41AM (#19270660)
Front-page of HN and its not working. No-one has said anything for 90 mins. I tried to chat, signed up, nothing happened.
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by codeulike on Thursday February 28, 2019 @09:01AM (#19271329)
Now it seems to be working for other people, but not for me. Perhaps because I'm not in the USA.
Re:Show HN: Expensive Chat – Pay one cent per letter by kristianp on Thursday February 28, 2019 @11:44PM (#19277979)
It's blank for me, is it μblock?