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Re:The phone-makers bringing back buttons by Sohcahtoa82 on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @05:54PM (#19267656)
> Buttons are intuitive, easy to use, and when they do not work it becomes apparent that something is broken or faulty. Why are we getting rid of them?

Because of some silly idea of what makes something feel modern.

The worst case of this in cars. Steering wheel controls wouldn't need to be a thing if I could reach towards my stereo and feel where the track skip buttons are without having to take my eyes off the road.

Re:The phone-makers bringing back buttons by jakelazaroff on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @05:57PM (#19267677)
Re: steering wheel controls, you don't think it's an improvement to be able to keep your eyes on the road and your hands on the wheel?
Re:The phone-makers bringing back buttons by velosol on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @06:29PM (#19267858)
Those who drive manual cars are frequently removing a hand from the wheel to adjust an aspect of the car without looking and I would be surprised if the momentary loss of a hand on the wheel would mean manual drivers had more accidents than automatic drivers.

Re: steering wheel buttons in general, it depends on how they're implemented. If you take an old idea [1] and provide tactile locating then it is easy to learn. If you can reuse a common paradigm (a knob for volume) there's no learning required. The steering wheel also is already a busy place - you have two or more stalks nearby, sometimes cruise control is part of the steering wheel buttons and even if not the amount of space means you are forced to provide a subset of functions. A stereo with tactile-marked buttons and knobs is known to most drivers via other paradigms and is easy to swap between cars.

[1]: https://patents.google.com/patent/US2350059A/en

Re:The phone-makers bringing back buttons by badfrog on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @06:09PM (#19267740)
There's really no need for more than one hand on the wheel unless you're turning, in which case you shouldn't be using radio controls anyway.
Re:The phone-makers bringing back buttons by paulryanrogers on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @06:32PM (#19267870)
Just don't ever: grow old, break an arm/hand, become disabled, get weakened by illness, or be born a smaller person. Then yes, you'll always have an extra hand for off-wheek controls.
Re:The phone-makers bringing back buttons by ellard on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @06:51PM (#19267965)
I'm a short guy who has driven my manual car while my right hand was basically a stump from having a knife put through it and having it bandaged up. I did drive slower in general as I couldn't shift as fast and it hurt to do so using the stump, but otherwise I was fine with one hand on the wheel.

For everyone else, we've had automatic cars for forever. There's also a video online of a man with no arms who learned how to drive their car without them.

Edit: changed to be specific about the one hand on the wheel.

Re:The phone-makers bringing back buttons by jimmaswell on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @06:40PM (#19267925)
Applies to manuals too.
Re:The phone-makers bringing back buttons by badfrog on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @09:28PM (#19268567)
It take about 1.5 seconds to move the gear shift. You can wait that long before changing the radio station.
Re:The phone-makers bringing back buttons by paulryanrogers on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @10:41PM (#19268823)
Downvoted because this doesn't address the underlying point: differently abled people are just as important. And if their needs can be met with so little extra effort then why push back so hard?

Consider that at a critical moment the difference between moving a thumb and moving ones whole arm and hand could be the difference between life and death.

EDIT: fixed typos

Re:The phone-makers bringing back buttons by badfrog on Thursday February 28, 2019 @05:53PM (#19276171)
That is an odd reason to downvote considering the comment I replied to didn't mention that at all.
Re:The phone-makers bringing back buttons by paulryanrogers on Saturday March 02, 2019 @08:39AM (#19289204)
Fair enough. I thought it was replying to the comment by ellard.
Re:The phone-makers bringing back buttons by taneq on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @07:49PM (#19268192)
Steering wheel controls are less cognitive load than fumbling on your dash, even if you keep your eyes on the road you're still distracted.
Re:The phone-makers bringing back buttons by bhelkey on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @06:59PM (#19267987)
I have physical buttons on my stereo but still choose to use steering wheel controls. It is easier and feels much safer especially when I feel like I need both hands on the wheel.
Re:The phone-makers bringing back buttons by heroprotagonist on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @08:10PM (#19268267)
I wish Spotify on Android Auto would take this feedback.

Seriously, a rotary knob can switch focus to the next/previous UI control, so that additional push of tactile button on said rotary knob will activate the control, but they can't simply detect the rotation as 'next/previous', with the push button as 'pause/play' toggle?

Instead I have to rotate the nob and visually track the thin active element outline each time I enter or swap to the app just to get a single tactile 'forward' control. Or, I give up, and continue the process of memorizing the button location on the screen and building muscle memory through repetition to correctly press the same spot on the screen each time without looking at it. Then hope I never need to be in a different car or that nobody adjusts my seat's X/Y/Z axis to screw up that muscle memory.

I suspect it's Spotify's issue, and not Android Auto itself, but most of the Android Auto apps work that way and I don't know where the fault originates. But regardless of who can fix it, it's horrible to allow UX to be designed ignorantly when it is placed to have potential life/death impact.