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Re:Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a... by aantix on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @11:47AM (#19264449)
This problem is no longer exclusive to the Bay Area. Hiring is time-consuming and expensive, and many startups feel that they can’t compete with some of the top salaries and perks offered by deep-pocketed alternatives.

Offer to teach the developer something.

"Java developers - want to learn Node and React?"

"Rails developers - want to learn Elixir?"

Get one senior person on staff who really knows the stack well and require that they pair program every day with a different member of the team.

Good developers are grateful for the opportunity to level up their skills, contribute, and still make a living.

Andres Camacho in SF has been VP of Engineering and CTO at several startups and is king of this strategy.

Re:Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a... by BenoitP on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @02:22PM (#19266107)
> "Java developers - want to learn Node and React?"

Could be a great incentive, but not to me personally. I'm very invested in the JVM, and I'd rather have that investment used. Something like the following would make me jump ship instantly:

"Java developers - want to use Flink/Spark, some Scala/Clojure? How about 'very fast decision trees' learned online out of a Kafka bus?"

Re:Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a... by daveFNbuck on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @11:57AM (#19264591)
If good developers want to level up their skills, how do you keep the senior developer who you've turned into a tutor happy?
Re:Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a... by murph on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @12:07PM (#19264721)
Mentorship and teaching are also valuable skills. Many good senior engineers would love to focus on them if their employer recognized it as valuable.
Re:Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a... by delfinom on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @12:09PM (#19264754)
Yea, um, nothing wrong with mentoring and teaching but when management wants me to turn things out on a dime at the same time. Not happening. That junior is getting MINIMAL possible attention for me to work on what ultimately keeps my job not theirs.
Re:Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a... by silveroriole on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @12:37PM (#19265069)
Is that really true? Maybe some, but I don’t know about “many”. I’d imagine when most people start on their dev career, they don’t imagine their dream job to be “teaching,” they imagine it to be coding. I think you’d have a tough time getting responses for a “senior engineer” job ad that says you’ll actually be a full time mentor.
Re:Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a... by mbrameld on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @02:33PM (#19266209)
I'm just an anecdote, but if I could earn the same salary teaching and mentoring as I do as a tech lead I'd do it with very little hesitation.
Re:Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a... by amorphous on Thursday February 28, 2019 @06:37AM (#19270643)
This route exists, it's called training and you can earn even more doing that. Absolutely doable, but it's a long road to get there (salary- and lifestyle wise).
Re:Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a... by daveFNbuck on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @12:48PM (#19265208)
Even then, pair programming with a different person every day sounds awful.
Re:Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a... by aantix on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @12:03PM (#19264660)
Fair question.

At least in the above scenario, it was Andres doing the work of initially getting someone up to speed and then pairing the coworkers on an appropriate level feature/bug. He'd stop by and check in to see where they were stuck and would genuinely try and solve the problem.

So, it has to be someone who is a great coder for that stack and enjoys teaching.

If it's done right, other members of the team become good teachers as well, so the initial burden of teaching is lightened.

Re:Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a... by maxsilver on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @12:31PM (#19265007)
> how do you keep the senior developer who you've turned into a tutor happy?

Pay them well, and give them a regular chunk of (paid) time to work on something that furthers their growth / is intellectually stimulating / whatever.

Re:Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a... by SmellyGeekBoy on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @11:59AM (#19264620)
Pay them a lot.
Re:Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a... by misterbwong on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @12:07PM (#19264722)
A certain pay level is necessary, but not sufficient, to keep talented staff.
Re:Ask HN: Finding tech talent is getting harder. It's not a... by itronitron on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @02:40PM (#19266268)
Well, they probably chose the tech stack so they can either help with the hiring process or the training process.