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Re:This Startup Does Not Exist by dooglius on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @08:28AM (#19254070)
Anyone else get the sense this is more of a Mad-Libs style fill-in as opposed to the sort of AI-generated content found in other thisXdoesnotexist sites?
Re:This Startup Does Not Exist by gwern on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @09:20AM (#19254467)
As author of 'This Waifu Does Not Exist' https://www.thiswaifudoesnotexist.net/ (which does use StyleGAN+GPT-2-small, with even better anime-finetuned GPT-2-small samples coming tomorrow or so), I feel a little insulted that the 'X Does Not Exist' brand is being diluted by Mad-Libs-style efforts. The snowclone exists to show off neural net work specifically, not just any old aleatorics.
Re:This Startup Does Not Exist by apollopower on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @09:32AM (#19254547)
Thats understandable. Where "This Waifu Does Not Exist" serves as a demonstration of GANs, "This Startup Does Not Exist" is more of a satirical jab on how "disruptive" startup endeavors are really generic efforts that don't amount to anything
Re:This Startup Does Not Exist by Aeolun on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @09:32AM (#19254550)
Is this really as impressive as I think it is, or is it more or less recoloring different images?
Re:This Startup Does Not Exist by gwern on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @09:56AM (#19254727)
That's getting into hard to answer territory: do humans 'more or less recolor different images' when they do art, too? Many people use tracing, copy elements, imitate other artists' styles, and so on. No one learns anime art in a void. All culture is remix. And this is true of writing, as well. Consider Gene Wolfe's "The Just Man" ( https://www.gwern.net/docs/culture/1983-wolfe-thecitadelofth... ):

> From this story, though it was the shortest and the most simple too of all those I have recorded in this book, I feel that I learned several things of some importance. First of all, how much of our speech, which we think freshly minted in our own mouths, consists of set locutions. The Ascian seemed to speak only in sentences he had learned by rote, though until he used each for the first time we had never heard them. Foila seemed to speak as women commonly do, and if I had been asked whether she employed such tags, I would have said that she did not---but how often one might have predicted the ends of her sentences from their beginnings.

You could look through the various sets of samples and the more extreme psi examples and the interpolation videos and perhaps get a better idea of the extent to which the StyleGAN 'understands' faces and is being creative: https://twitter.com/gwern/status/1093701790971953152

Re:This Startup Does Not Exist by catbird on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @10:17AM (#19254907)
Would it make sense to compare the output images to their nearest neighbors in the training set in order to establish some metric of "originality"? Sorry if that is a basic question, I haven't read much on image synthesis with neural nets.
Re:This Startup Does Not Exist by gwern on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @10:39AM (#19255122)
Yes, and they don't usually look too much alike (see the BigGAN appendix nearest-neighbors for example of doing this) but some people argue this isn't a good enough check because the GAN could just be shuffling around patches of textures or something, which is a little goal-post-move-y for my taste.
Re:This Startup Does Not Exist by smsm42 on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @05:44PM (#19259057)
I think "humans also do X" is fallacious. Humans also draw paintings like The Black Square by Malevich (and he wasn't the first to do it) and there's a poem consisting a single letter "i" by John Curry and another consisting of one word "lighght". Does this mean a printer capable of printing random letters is a poet and one that can produce a black page is an artist?

It's true it is hard to define what art is. But I'm pretty sure /dev/random isn't an artist, even if a human artist can produce random things.

Re:This Startup Does Not Exist by gwern on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @06:59PM (#19259622)
> Does this mean a printer capable of printing random letters is a poet and one that can produce a black page is an artist?

You're asking that rhetorically, assuming people will just agree there's a difference because a human artist did it and a computer doing it isn't an artist, but you know a lot of people would be happy to take one of those forks.

Re:This Startup Does Not Exist by smsm42 on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @07:08PM (#19259680)
Well, I guess for these people general AI already exists, or at least AI capable of producing art. Just take a random pattern, imbue it with whatever meaning you please, and treat it as artistic intelligence. With this approach, any innovation (at least as far as producing art goes) does not carry any value beyond novelty value - if /dev/random has everything one ever would need in art, then what's the difference between any new sophisticated model and just another dump of output of /dev/random?
Re:This Startup Does Not Exist by Aeolun on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @07:01PM (#19259637)
True, but humans are generally able to start from scratch and make something. It doesn’t seem like that’s entirely what is happening here, but to be honest, it would be hard to say given the quality of the output.

I really enjoyed the videos that transition through the different options for Holo.

Re:This Startup Does Not Exist by gowld on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @09:22AM (#19254477)
Fake tricks, in my AI/ML offering? It's more likely then you think.
Re:This Startup Does Not Exist by nkozyra on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @08:45AM (#19254206)
Clearly. The images are all just stock "...male-105.png," the page format is exactly the same.

It's cute but less interesting than, say, thisdoesnotexist.

Re:This Startup Does Not Exist by tenaciousDaniel on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @08:33AM (#19254122)
Yeah. Oddly enough, this should be the easiest variation on the this-does-not-exist idea, but it's the least believable.

If I didn't know it was an experiment, I'd think it was a bot-driven ad-fraud popup site or something.

Re:This Startup Does Not Exist by smudgymcscmudge on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @09:57AM (#19254733)
It’s fitting for a fake startup generator to use fake ai. Most of these fictional startups would probably be faking their ai as well.
Re:This Startup Does Not Exist by aboutruby on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @09:32AM (#19254558)
Reminds me more of Faker: https://github.com/marak/Faker.js