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Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by rococode on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @03:42AM (#19206537)
I've often read that Stockholm, and Sweden in general, has great work-life balance. This list seems super cool for folks who may be interested in (what I've heard is) a more relaxed lifestyle while keeping some work excitement in their lives from a startup environment. It's really interesting to see how successful Sweden has been in pushing itself as a good home for startups.

Also, is the logo on this site messed up? It just says SEEDTAB for me without the LE, like this: https://i.imgur.com/oEN7R2Q.png. Kind of an odd bug; even the actual .svg file it links to appears like that for me (https://www.seedtable.com/img/logo.svg). I would've thought it was intentional if not for the sliver of what appears to be an L at the right end.

Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by camochameleon on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @03:56AM (#19206605)
It looks like the SVG has just been exported at a width much narrower than the text. If you inspect the SVG on the second link you posted, you can edit the `width` attribute to something like 200 and see the full text.

Normally, when exporting SVGs for the web, you would convert the text to shapes. That way, people don't need a version of the font you've used and you can guarantee it looking the same across browsers.

Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by gonsanchezs on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @07:20AM (#19207293)
will fix
Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by _Microft on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @03:50AM (#19206576)
The work-life balance might be lagom. ;)
Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by johnwyles on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @05:13AM (#19206875)
There was a recent NPR segment highlighting also a program of Sweden for entrepreneurship of a six-month-leave where your job would be saved for you while you pursued a startup or business venture as well but I forget the name of the program in Sweden.
Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by Entalpi on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @07:23AM (#19207299)
Yes, usually there is a thing called tjänsteledigt. Which basically means that you can ask your employer for a ”pause” in your employment. I believe they are required by law to let you keep your employment.
Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by bobl on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @04:09AM (#19206667)
It is significantly harder to attain a high quality of life at decent cost in Stockholm these days. Especially since the housing market is high, but stalling, and there is a recession looming. Sweden pushing itself as a good home for startups seem to largely correlate with becoming a worse place to live in, and therefor to a large extent be posturing. There have also been more obviously successful startups in the past then there are now. Moving to Stockholm could still be the right move for some people, but I would advice looking at the situation carefully beforehand.
Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by renholder on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @06:11AM (#19207061)
>Sweden pushing itself as a good home for startups seem to largely correlate with becoming a worse place to live in, and therefor to a large extent be posturing.

This isn't, implicitly, true. For Stockholm, sure. What about a city like Växjö? Or Motala? There are very decent areas to live in Sweden, close to booming tech start-ups, and aren't suffering the same plights that the capital is seeing.

Admittedly, the points-system is a bit of a pain-in-the-ass and they seemed to have a plan for it, when it first started, for newcomers to the country; however, that plan doesn't work-out so well in the terms of today.

To point: Sweden, in general, doesn't suffer from all of the plights seen in Stockholm. If Stockholm is your goto, then by all means, you should be aware of them; but a larger portion of Sweden doesn't see the same problems (yet).

Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by dmitriid on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @08:41AM (#19207668)
> For Stockholm, sure. What about a city like Växjö? Or Motala? There are very decent areas to live in Sweden, close to booming tech start-ups, and aren't suffering the same plights that the capital is seeing.

Yeah... Motala is really relevant in the context of conversation about "Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm" (~3 hours by car).

Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by renholder on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @04:12PM (#19212027)
>...is really relevant in the context of conversation about "Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm" (~3 hours by car).

The OP that I replied to mentioned Sweden, as a whole, which is not limited to just Stockholm, yeah?

Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by dmitriid on Thursday February 21, 2019 @09:19AM (#19217000)
If we take Sweden as a whole, there are very few opportunities outside the three big cities, Stockholm, Malmö, and Göteborg (Gothenburg).

Just saying that it’s nice in the small places like Motala can’t make businesses and people move there, unfortunately.

Motala is really nice though :)

Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by bobl on Thursday February 21, 2019 @10:32AM (#19217514)
Most of these places would also just have a hard time "scaling" if they did managed to get people or business there. One successful or a couple of smaller startups might need at least a hundred people a year. So there really needs to be something special going on for that to work out.
Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by bobl on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @06:42AM (#19207152)
Those places are far more average with for example small city centers and limited transportation. As such there are far more competition, and therefor places to consider, before selecting one of those options. Especially since you might end up living outside one of those cities. Smaller isn't necessarily easier either. Most of Sweden has a rental shortage and a pricey housing market. It is a systematic issue of abandoning the rental market in favor of 100+ year mortgages.

But if anyone know of a city in Sweden with accessible good living conditions and decent opportunities I would of course be happy to hear about it.

Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by SeaSeaRider on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @03:58AM (#19206616)
You heard wrong. Sweden has one if the longest working weeks in the EU. Normal work day starts at 8am.

Most stuff that you read about Sweden (ie stuff that gets shared on socisl media) is false.

Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by simongray on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @04:04AM (#19206647)
On the contrary, Swedes work some of the fewest hour per person in the OECD. The only people that work fewer hours than the Swedes are Germans, Danes, Norwegians, and the Dutch: https://data.oecd.org/emp/hours-worked.htm
Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by dmitriid on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @04:02AM (#19206629)
> Sweden has one if the longest working weeks in the EU. Normal work day starts at 8am.

We're talking about startups on a website mostly for programmers, right?

Programmers enjoy nearly free work schedule. I've seen people come at work at 7 in the morning and leave at three in the evening. Or come to work at 10 and leave at 7.

Second, work-life balance is paramount in Sweden. No one will bat an eye if you have to pick your kids early from kindergarten/school, go to a doctor's appointment, take a day off because you're sick etc.

The government even tries to combat exploitative employers by making it mandatory that employees take at least 20 days of vacation a year.

Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by SeaSeaRider on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @05:42AM (#19206975)
“No one will bat an eyelid if you take a day off work.”

You forgot to mention that you WON’T get paid if you take a single day off work, something that makes Sweden unique in the modern world?

Sweden is a great place to work in many ways, but there are severe problems for people moving here to work if they are accustomed to other EU countries.

Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by cjg_ on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @06:29AM (#19207116)
That's only if you are taking sick-leave (and for the first day, then you get some part of your salary), also Sweden got 25 days of mandatory paid vacation days.
Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by C1sc0cat on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @07:07AM (#19207240)
Would not that lead to people taking the minimum required to get sick pay even for minor ailments.
Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by mariefred on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @11:01AM (#19208921)
off for sick leave, and this is somewhat changing now with the new karensavdrag system
Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by yitchelle on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @04:16AM (#19206698)
Speaking from Germany, what you have described is true for here as well.
Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by rypskar on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @05:31AM (#19206932)
What is wrong with starting at 8? I start closer to 7 so I can go home a bit after 15. Some of us use flexible work schedule to get longer afternoons. You need to look at more than when it is normal to start working in the morning, like total hours/year and how flexible the schedule is
Re:Best Startups to Work for in Stockholm by yakshaving_jgt on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @04:08AM (#19206664)
> Normal work day starts at 8am.

No, not necessarily.

Most of my career has been spent working in Sweden and/or for Swedish companies.

At only one company of the several I have worked for — my first programming job — were employees expected to arrive at 08:00.

All the others have started at 09:00, with a fair degree of flexibility.

This isn't to say Sweden is some paradise — it categorically isn't — but let's at least be accurate with our numbers.