Re:Early South Dakota Thrived by Being a Divorce Colony
by seibelj on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @06:55PM
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There used to be many ways to escape and start over. There was no ID, or if there was it was easy to forge. Debts, crimes, families, all of the good and bad in your life could be wiped away in a new city with a new name. Sometimes even free land would be granted just for moving to the middle of nowhere.
It is now impossible to escape your past, and this has both good and bad parts. Obviously victims of crimes and lenders prefer it, but something has been lost when there is no place to get a fresh start.
Re:Early South Dakota Thrived by Being a Divorce Colony
by hn_throwaway_99 on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @11:17PM
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I think this is a little bit of looking at history through rose-colored glasses, or at the very least it implies that being able to "escape and start over" was the norm, instead of a very short historical anomaly.
For most of human history societies were small and insular - if a stranger showed up in their midst without a social reputation they would be cast out, or worse.
Re:Early South Dakota Thrived by Being a Divorce Colony
by anoncoward111 on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @06:46AM
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Unless they went to South Dakota, apparently.
Humans find ways to divide people based on any random parameter of millions-- they are exclusionary creatures ONLY until the point where they need goods or services from someone else-- then suddenly race and religion don't seem very important in that moment
Re:Early South Dakota Thrived by Being a Divorce Colony
by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @07:11AM
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> Unless they went to South Dakota, apparently.
That, and the 'frontier' as a whole, is a different ball game - everyone was new then. It's like a new suburb vs a 50 year old one. Or well, the US 250 years ago vs now.
Re:Early South Dakota Thrived by Being a Divorce Colony
by mc32 on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @07:37AM
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Russia currently has a program in parts of Siberia where if you move there you will get free land. So, there are still parts of the world like that. On the other hand it’s harsh continental climate (even more so than SD) and your closest neighbor could be tens of miles away, even further. And of course you need to be Russian.
Re:Early South Dakota Thrived by Being a Divorce Colony
by mc32 on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @09:57AM
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Replying to myself as edit window had passed. This program[1] is actually available to foreigners but can’t own the land unless they stay for five years.
Re:Early South Dakota Thrived by Being a Divorce Colony
by badrabbit on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @07:11PM
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You can move to african or other 3rd world countries still. If you have cash to start over,you can get about without using your old ID past the port of entry. It may not be the western life you're used to but you can buy a house,have a source of income (business or a job if you forge paperwork) and even a family.
Re:Early South Dakota Thrived by Being a Divorce Colony
by grawprog on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @08:21PM
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Depends on which third world country. I've actually looked into this. I know a few people in a few countries that could help me do this. Even then, it's not as easy as you may think unless you're willing to break a bunch of laws in a third world country as a foreigner or have a bunch of money. The consequences are pretty high for getting caught.
Then there's always the matter of getting caught and deported 20,30,40 years down the road. I've seen it happen. No matter how comfortable you get this will never stop looming over you.
Re:Early South Dakota Thrived by Being a Divorce Colony
by opportune on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @01:15AM
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won't you stick out like a sore thumb if you have a different race (one associated with being very wealthy) and an American accent / inability to speak the native language? I honestly don't think this is feasible for your typical white american. At worst maybe you manage to get a shitty no-questions-asked local job and apartment but you're bound to raise questions and in any actual low-cost area you are bound to be a perennially prime target for getting mugged
Re:Early South Dakota Thrived by Being a Divorce Colony
by gumby on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @08:06PM
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A shame. When my son was about 11 or 12 his career ambition was to be an evil genius, and when he learned about the FFL he told me, "this is really useful to know in case the evil genius thing doesn't work out"
Re:Early South Dakota Thrived by Being a Divorce Colony
by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @07:10AM
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I think it's still possible to escape and make a fresh start - as long as you're not wanted. If you want to get away from your house, family, etc, it more depends on the immigration policies of where you want to go than anything. In this case, the US is not nearly as open to anyone as it used to be.
Re:Early South Dakota Thrived by Being a Divorce Colony
by Tsubasachan on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @02:18AM
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Fascinating. People think America is a Christian conservative country but its much more complicated than that. It was the first Western country that made divorce legal decades before Europe and there wasn't a stigma on remarrying.
Re:Early South Dakota Thrived by Being a Divorce Colony
by RickJWagner on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @07:30PM
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Interesting. The original Cataract Hotel (before expansion) still stands, and houses apartment dwellers.
"There is a bit of salve to soothe the loss of the Cataract Hotel. The original 1871 building is still being used for apartments on Duluth Avenue, just six blocks from its original location."
It is now impossible to escape your past, and this has both good and bad parts. Obviously victims of crimes and lenders prefer it, but something has been lost when there is no place to get a fresh start.
> Sometimes even free land would be granted just for moving to the middle of nowhere.
It's worth thinking about where the "free land" came from and whether it might have been previously occupied.
For most of human history societies were small and insular - if a stranger showed up in their midst without a social reputation they would be cast out, or worse.
Humans find ways to divide people based on any random parameter of millions-- they are exclusionary creatures ONLY until the point where they need goods or services from someone else-- then suddenly race and religion don't seem very important in that moment
That, and the 'frontier' as a whole, is a different ball game - everyone was new then. It's like a new suburb vs a 50 year old one. Or well, the US 250 years ago vs now.
[1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Homestead_Act
Then there's always the matter of getting caught and deported 20,30,40 years down the road. I've seen it happen. No matter how comfortable you get this will never stop looming over you.
People are very collaborative and would more likely find you interesting
As a North Dakotan, it gave me lots of fun things to prod my Southern cousins with.
"There is a bit of salve to soothe the loss of the Cataract Hotel. The original 1871 building is still being used for apartments on Duluth Avenue, just six blocks from its original location."
https://www.argusleader.com/story/life/2014/06/01/looking-ba...