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Re:Magic Lantern by Kye on Monday February 18, 2019 @03:15PM (#19193982)
Much of the cost is in the glass. There's only so much they can do to make them cheaper without sacrificing quality, at least until metamaterial lenses get cheap enough to obsolete glass. That's why smaller mirrorless camera lenses and prime lenses for DSLRs tend to be cheaper. Primes have fewer elements to craft, align, and make work together. Mirrorless cameras just need less glass.

You don't need the latest and least supported by third-party tools camera for most things. A $500 body with a $100 prime lens will outperform a $1500 camera with a kit lens.

Re:Magic Lantern by mdorazio on Monday February 18, 2019 @03:45PM (#19194267)
Not sure that completely addresses the parent comment's point. Glass is definitely expensive for good reasons (watch some YouTube videos on optical lens manufacturing to see why), but even just a camera body for something like an EOS 6D is still $1000. The sensors can't be that much, full-frame or no, so where is the added cost coming from? Certainly not software or on-board processors. To the parent comment's point, you can get a full-blown flagship smartphone with a 6 inch high resolution screen you can actually use and a good amount of memory baked in for that price.
Re:Magic Lantern by ISL on Monday February 18, 2019 @07:17PM (#19195704)
My 6D just works. Every time, always.

It functions like an instrument that is designed to be used. Treated with reasonable care, from -30C to 100%-humidity-condensing conditions at the freezing point, it has consistently gotten the job done. It is compatible with a huge range of glass, and it all works. The interface stays out of the way -- when I'm making images, I'm never worried about the camera, just the photography.

When I'm working, the camera is always powered on. The battery lasts for weeks in that mode, yet when I depress the shutter halfway, it begins to lock focus in tens of milliseconds. With gloves on.

When these cameras are released, there are rarely, if ever, hardware revisions. They work that well on the day that they are shipped to the first consumers.

For me, the cost (and the value) is in the R&D and the ecosystem.

Re:Magic Lantern by larrywright on Monday February 18, 2019 @04:09PM (#19194484)
There are a lot of mechanical controls on DSLRs, and they see heavy use over long periods of time. Building those to withstand hundreds of thousands of operations, and making them dust and water sealed is probably not inexpensive.
Re:Magic Lantern by solarkraft on Monday February 18, 2019 @04:32PM (#19194649)
Then again I don't think it's that expensive either.

I suspect the problem here to be scale.

Re:Magic Lantern by bsder on Monday February 18, 2019 @04:56PM (#19194852)
$1,000 retail thing is generally $300 bill of materials.

I suspect that those are above a $300 BOM given the display, sensor, and plethora of mechanical things (buttons, threads, etc.).

Mechanicals are very expensive compared to electronics. And cameras have LOTS of mechanical thingys.

Re:Magic Lantern by dogsgobork on Monday February 18, 2019 @06:48PM (#19195564)
The shutter for a typical DSLR can be expected to last for 100,000 shots, if not longer, while opening and closing in 1/8000th of a second. It's impressive engineering.
Re:Magic Lantern by larrywright on Monday February 18, 2019 @04:44PM (#19194758)
Probably so, my main point was that comparing it to a plastic box with a few buttons and a big screen isn’t really a fair comparison.
Re:Magic Lantern by MayeulC on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @04:07AM (#19197624)
Good point about metamaterials. I am doing a PhD in nanotechnology (electronics), and the advances I see in optics at that scale really hint at revolutionary products. Manufacturing still needs a few improvements, though. And I wonder what the market reaction will be? I wouldn't be surprised if photographers were quick to dismiss those millimetre-thin lenses at first.
Re:Magic Lantern by ginger4 on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @03:42AM (#19261897)
I read about some big news on using nanoparticles for getting rid of cancer. I can't find the article right now but it had to do with nanoparticles which could safely and specifically go to cancer cells and with a certain frequency it would heat up the beads and kill the cancer cell. That was pretty cool, I did a half ass job of explaining it though. Really though, most the stuff I see for nanotechnology is in the field of cancer research.
Re:Magic Lantern by joysanders on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @03:39AM (#19261882)
I am wondering how far we are from creating nano robots that enter the body and fixes it. Like nano robots that enter the bloodstream and cleans up, can fix wounds etc. More like an improved immune system. Or is this fiction?