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Re:Harder programming questions do a worse job of predicting... by fossuser on Monday February 18, 2019 @02:26PM (#19193490)
It feels very much like that to me which is why it’s strange there isn’t a Kaplan equivalent.

There’s interview cake and leetcode, but I think people would pay $2k for a class that focuses on the questions and in person whiteboard practice.

They could collect information about the interviews at the major companies and then use those to create the program. For payment could also help candidates negotiate and then take a cut of the signing bonus.

If this isn’t part of lambda school already I think it should be.

I already work at a competitive tech company, but I’d sign up for this in a second to help me stay competitive for interviews.

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Re:Harder programming questions do a worse job of predicting... by acb1990 on Monday February 18, 2019 @03:06PM (#19193896)
App Academy was working on something like this, last time I checked. I believe it's more focused on people who've already been through their program working on getting the next-step-up job from their first so I don't know if it's generally advertised/ available
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Re:Harder programming questions do a worse job of predicting... by chooseaname on Monday February 18, 2019 @03:19PM (#19194014)
The only way I would consider paying for a course like this is if, upon successfully completing it, I would not have to do the technical portion of the interview at companies I applied to. They would accept this cert and just do the soft skills interview.
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Re:Harder programming questions do a worse job of predicting... by alboy on Monday February 18, 2019 @03:56PM (#19194362)
One could argue that CS undergraduate degrees are perfectly suited for this purpose. FAANG & Co don't seem to care for that. You've successfully passed a few dozen exams at MIT or Stanford? Well, let's make the reasonable assumption that you have no clue about algorithms and data structures and start with our third whiteboarding session, that should be a way better proxy for your knowledge.
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Re:Harder programming questions do a worse job of predicting... by erik_seaberg on Monday February 18, 2019 @05:14PM (#19194976)
Those incentives are misaligned. Not every law school grad can pass the bar.
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Re:Harder programming questions do a worse job of predicting... by alboy on Monday February 18, 2019 @06:06PM (#19195306)
They may very well be, but is the quality of signal truly worse than that which an interviewer can extract from a few hours of your writing code on the board?
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Re:Harder programming questions do a worse job of predicting... by erik_seaberg on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @03:32PM (#19211682)
There are people with degrees who can't code. I'd prefer we don't hire them, so we ask for coding.
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Re:Harder programming questions do a worse job of predicting... by reificator on Monday February 18, 2019 @03:59PM (#19194395)
That's called college, and experience has shown that the people who have the certificate aren't guaranteed to know how to write a fizzbuzz.
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Re:Harder programming questions do a worse job of predicting... by fossuser on Monday February 18, 2019 @04:16PM (#19194527)
I think that’ll never happen because the incentives of the cert granting institution and the company hiring will never be aligned (or aligned enough to matter).
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Re:Harder programming questions do a worse job of predicting... by Apocryphon on Monday February 18, 2019 @03:28PM (#19194103)
Sounds like a neat segment for Triplebyte to move to- or for a competitor to capitalize upon.
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Re:Harder programming questions do a worse job of predicting... by Apocryphon on Monday February 18, 2019 @03:28PM (#19194094)
The major ones seem to be Outco and Interview Kickstart. But agreed, there's far fewer whiteboarding/interview process-specific bootcamps compared to web/mobile bootcamps.
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Re:Harder programming questions do a worse job of predicting... by austenallred on Monday February 18, 2019 @03:03PM (#19193877)
> If this isn’t part of lambda school already I think it should be

It’s part of classes for our existing students, but it isn’t a single offering. One day.

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Re:Harder programming questions do a worse job of predicting... by fossuser on Monday February 18, 2019 @03:41PM (#19194240)
Cool - if you need somebody to help I’d be interested.
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Re:Harder programming questions do a worse job of predicting... by pmiller2 on Monday February 18, 2019 @03:10PM (#19193935)
Those courses are out there. I saw one for $5k and ran for, IIRC, 8 weeks, that covered the entire interview process.
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Re:Harder programming questions do a worse job of predicting... by Frost1x on Monday February 18, 2019 @04:46PM (#19194772)
I've noticed several groups that offer SE interview specific training out there now that I'm stepping through this interview process after the landscape has changed since my last position.

It's funny that after doing some searching, many proponents of this widely adopted and poorly researched interviewing methodology appear to be running businesses selling training for these interview processes... surprise, surprise.

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Re:Harder programming questions do a worse job of predicting... by TrinaryWorksToo on Monday February 18, 2019 @07:39PM (#19195797)
This is exactly what Outco.io does, and I highly recommend them for this purpose.
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Re:Harder programming questions do a worse job of predicting... by fossuser on Monday February 18, 2019 @08:04PM (#19195905)
Looks interesting - have you used them?
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Re:Harder programming questions do a worse job of predicting... by TrinaryWorksToo on Monday February 18, 2019 @09:17PM (#19196177)
Yes! I felt I was noticeably better at selling myself in interviews, which was my primary goal for going through them. I didn't feel I had enough of a support network to properly prepare otherwise. There's a lot of technical stuff, that goes by very quickly, and also equal amount of non-technical, this-is-how-recruiting-works content.
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