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Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by kodablah on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:24PM (#19166663)
> I would definitely not want the government to be able to control what ideas/speech is allowed on these platforms and what isn't. Nor do I want a single entity (as Facebook/Twitter exist today) to have that control.

I have come to the admittedly sad conclusion that you can't reside in the middle here. I mean, you can idealistically, but slope will slide to one side or the other in practice. At least at this time I think you can ask for government interference or not. I would like to think that you could trust each side to know its boundaries, as we see in other regulated industries, but time has shown either side cannot. Which side would you want to give an inch to, because a mile will be taken (or according to some doomsayers it already has)?

Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by kokokokoko on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:40PM (#19166771)
The US government has censored the broadcast media(tv, radio) since their formation. So we do have some fairly solid evidence that the US government has not wildly abused that power.

I'm not sure this has to be an all or nothing thing. We have some reasonable protections built into the Constitution and case law that back that up.

I understand your hesitation about having the government involved as there are plenty of examples of government influence on the media around the world. I share the same fears.

With that said, do we really have any real world proof that the US government in recent years has over stepped its boundaries in regards to media restrictions?

Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by kodablah on Thursday February 14, 2019 @06:23PM (#19167059)
We don't all publish TV content. We can see from retransmission fees for over-the-air content to the decimation of business models like Aereo what happens when content is governed. I see the Aereo business model as very similar to what's happening w/ article 13 in the EU right now.

But in general I don't think you can compare broadcast mediums to bidirectional ones (e.g. words on the telephone or text on the internet).

Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by pjc50 on Thursday February 14, 2019 @06:29PM (#19167096)
That's not really driven by the government so much as the media companies.
Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by cobbzilla on Thursday February 14, 2019 @06:47PM (#19167200)
Big media companies have weaponized the government to serve their interests, it makes sense that social media companies will do the same.

They’ll write the rules together, make the barriers to entry even higher, and pat each other on the back.

Then it’s on to the next moral panic, this one’s been fixed!

Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by blotter_paper on Friday February 15, 2019 @12:56PM (#19173067)
Strongly disagree. The spectrum of transmission is regulated and parcelled out by the government, and it could be used differently. Indeed it is, with whitespace wifi devices. The battle over how many empty adjacent channels should be required for these devices is real, and ongoing. Take away the regulation and TV broadcasters lose. People who have televisions but no working knowledge of computers lose (if spending less time on the TV is a lose). People broadcasting to each other bi-directionally, over longer distances and through thicker obstacles than the current wifi bands allow, win hugely. The media companies are intertwined with the government, sure, but this is fundamentally a government problem.
Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by joe_the_user on Friday February 15, 2019 @01:05AM (#19168808)
The US government does have a history of cenorship - the banning of Henry Miller's novels and Wilhelm Reich's writing are the most prominent cases.

The US government hasn't censor broadcast media much given that most broadcast media owned by large corporations with ties to the state themselves.

And there's no reason that government wading into regulating Facebook could do anything remotely sane. A lot of Facebook's scandals have nothing to do with censorship and everything to do with filtering bias. When state agency is going to be qualified to regulate that?

Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by j16sdiz on Thursday February 14, 2019 @08:34PM (#19167803)
But the internet is international - no local censorship is localized.

You won't want a random foreign government censor your speech.

Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by ionised on Friday February 15, 2019 @05:58AM (#19169915)
The US does it all the time.

Why is okay when the US authorities shut down a site because of some bullshit DMCA violation that the rest of the world shouldn't be subject to?

Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by TheSpiceIsLife on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:55PM (#19166882)
> but time has shown either side cannot.

I wouldn't be so pessimistic. Off the top of my head, a number of industries are regulated / heavily regulated and thrive: media; air travel; automotive; transportation of dangerous goods; medicine / dental / veterinary; legal practice.

Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by BurningFrog on Friday February 15, 2019 @12:23AM (#19168632)
Industries want to be regulated. Regulation favors the big players and keeps out any newcomers.

The internet is now at the maturity level where it's ready to be locked down so Facebook, Google and maybe 1-2 other players can be cemented as the dominant players for decades to come through regulations ostensible there to stop them from becoming too powerful.

It's called "Regulatory Capture", and it's one of the most important concepts to understand to grasp how the modern world works.

Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by ionised on Friday February 15, 2019 @06:01AM (#19169923)
Whoever was subject to EPA regulations clearly didn't want to be regulated, because the agency has been gutted during this administration.

Regulation is not as black and white as you are painting. Plenty of regulations do good things, because people can't be trusted to act with a social conscience when profit is their motive.

Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by chosenbreed37 on Friday February 15, 2019 @06:45AM (#19170090)
> Regulation is not as black and white as you are painting. Plenty of regulations do good things, because people can't be trusted to act with a social conscience when profit is their motive.

Indeed. I think the argument ventured is that it is burdensome to the point that only the big established players can bear

Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by BurningFrog on Friday February 15, 2019 @11:14AM (#19172047)
> Plenty of regulations do good things, because people can't be trusted to act with a social conscience when profit is their motive.

This is one of those sentences that sound logical, until you start thinking about it.

The fact that people sometimes do bad things in no way proves that regulations do good things. If anything, it's an indication that regulations might also be bad, since they are made by people.

Often the same people who are being regulated, believe it or not...

Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by ionised on Friday February 15, 2019 @11:24AM (#19172116)
The alternative is no regulation, which I can't see ending up as anything other than a chaotic profit and power-seeking free-for all that does no favours for the average citizen that isn't part of the capitalist class.
Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by BurningFrog on Friday February 15, 2019 @11:53AM (#19172421)
Who do you think has the most influence on the regulations?

The powerful or the powerless?

Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by Nursie on Friday February 15, 2019 @08:13AM (#19170596)
This is such nonsense.

Some regulation can form regulatory capture, but other regulation can enforce an open, accessible marketplace.

Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by platz on Friday February 15, 2019 @08:10AM (#19170579)
Let's see how Facebook likes antitrust regulation.
Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by kodablah on Thursday February 14, 2019 @06:12PM (#19167000)
I mentioned that other industries are successfully regulated (and many are unsuccessful, preventing inclusion by outsiders). I find the internet however so open a medium, regulating that data is like regulating what you can write, say on the phone, etc. We accept that there are downsides to openness on those fronts because we have chosen that tradeoff. I think the error is comparing it to something like air travel instead of comparing it to what you can write in a book. The more we use these analogies the more we strain to choose ones we like, and I personally liken internet data to writing something down due to ease and the sheer amount of people that can do it. Sure there are differences in reach, which is why it's incomparable.
Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by 52-6F-62 on Thursday February 14, 2019 @07:55PM (#19167608)
I think regulating the internet, as you put it, is a different case than regulating these companies.

Facebook etc are more akin to broadcasters in terms of sharing ideas than they are akin to a telecom company offering communications infrastructure.

It’s not difficult to create a website to share the same ideas. In fact, it’s already done.

Openness is already there. Otherwise I agree.

Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by joe_the_user on Friday February 15, 2019 @01:10AM (#19168827)
I have come to the admittedly sad conclusion that you can't reside in the middle here. I mean, you can idealistically, but slope will slide to one side or the other in practice.

I don't see evidence that there is no middle ground here. Facebook and Google filter a lot of content. But that is filtering and not absolute control and there are significant other sources for those who want them.

State regulation would, however, produce a situation where everything remotely like a filter would be exposed to whatever regulation was implemented and that would in fact be a tremendous advantage for these same large players.

Re:Regulate Facebook and Twitter? The Case Is Getting Stronger by aeternus on Friday February 15, 2019 @01:53AM (#19168982)
That filtering is not absolute control, but it is enough to control an election, consider these stats:

http://www.journalism.org/2018/09/10/news-use-across-social-...

Especially with 'AI-based filtering', which blurs the lines on what is filtered and why, these companies have both significant discretion and plausible deniability when it comes to censoring content.