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Re:Activision-Blizzard layoffs after reporting record results by simonh on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @04:21AM (#19151654)
There is an alternative to unionisation, in the form of professionalisation and certification much like doctors, accountants, legal professionals, surveyors, etc. Its not the same thing, but ends up having similar effects through professional associations. Basically posh unions. The British Computer Society could become something like that over here, I suppose.

One route towards that might be people int he games industry here joining say the BCS en-masse and pushing it in that direction. I'm not even sure the BCS, on the whole anyway, would resist such a move.

Re:Activision-Blizzard layoffs after reporting record results by heyjudy on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @07:11AM (#19152433)
No, sorry, you're completely wrong. Doctors and other professionals have the option to be independent businesses whereas a coal miner or firefighter doesn't. Unions compel working conditions and fair pay where individual or government effort to accomplish the same would/did fail. The better alternative to unionization or professionalization are employee-owned co-ops where the workers also have a vested interest in helping the company and tend to earn base pay and bonuses according to their work and the overall success of the venture. And besides, anyone can code, the only situation where Professional/Chartered Engineers are needed is when public safety or large-scale cost are involved. There's no reason to put up BS barriers to exclusify an industry that is growing like mad and will likely be put almost out of existence by self-programming systems that use AI/ML/DL to make what users want thousands of times faster than any human team ever could. And then, at some point, compilers, packages and hardware will be developed by algorithms and gradually replace humans... because there's very little special that a deep learning algorithm couldn't do better than the best human ever in a few weeks.
Re:Activision-Blizzard layoffs after reporting record results by simonh on Thursday February 14, 2019 @08:22AM (#19161624)
It seems like employee-owned co-ops are an alternative to traditional company organisation. There's nothing to stop anyone from founding such things right now, in fact some do exist though not sure about in the software space, but I suspect there are so few for good reasons.

Meanwhile a lot of startups do compensate employees with stock and options though, under conventional company structures. That's overall a small segment of the industry, but it is an option. A lot of programmers work for conventional businesses in traditional domains though, where radical corporate structures are just pie in the sky.

Re:Activision-Blizzard layoffs after reporting record results by AndrewDucker on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @04:43AM (#19151746)
In the UK the BMA _is_ a union for doctors.
Re:Activision-Blizzard layoffs after reporting record results by jphoward on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @05:43AM (#19152050)
And possibly the most unpopular union in the UK, too. I've parted ways with them, as have most of my friends. It's not because I disagree with their decisions, as much as they are completely impotent.

I do empathise; the BMA are stuck between a rock and a hard place, in that their members want better work conditions, pay rises that actually match inflation (shock horror), but the government just say no.

The difference between the other unions and the BMA, though, is the BMA go back to their members and say "the government said no, sorry", whilst the others say "so be it", and the strikes commence.

I'm not quite sure how I'd improve the situation if I was a BMA representative; it's complex. However, there is literally no reason currently to pay the membership fee.

Re:Activision-Blizzard layoffs after reporting record results by ck425 on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @06:01AM (#19152127)
Didn't junior doctors go on a record long strike recently. I was under the impression that the BMA took a reasonable amount of action.
Re:Activision-Blizzard layoffs after reporting record results by jphoward on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @08:12AM (#19152745)
Yep but the strikes (supported by a poll of members) fizzled out and then a second round if industrial action was decided against by the BMA (without a further vote).
Re:Activision-Blizzard layoffs after reporting record results by simonh on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @05:16AM (#19151903)
And the Royal College of Nurses for Nurses, my wife is a member. Both organisations are publicly perceived more as 'professional associations' though and have more cachet than trades unions usually do. Both have the Queen as their royal patron. they also both have a very active role in promoting best practice and professional development.

That's the sort of angle I'd go for. Organise coding camps and conferences, provide guidance on professional development, establish an online library, promote certifications. Make it a useful resource, not just a campaigning outfit. To get traction it needs to have a credible claim to provide value to employers as well as employees.

If an employer does respect their employees, values them and wants to attract valuable talent, they should see this organisation's activities as complementing their own goals more than they clash with them. That's the sweet spot to aim for. It is a tricky thing to pull off though.

Re:Activision-Blizzard layoffs after reporting record results by kennydude on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @04:58AM (#19151824)
It would at least make the BCS actually fulfill a useful role than whatever they attempt to be at the moment
Re:Activision-Blizzard layoffs after reporting record results by hajo2 on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @05:10AM (#19151875)
+1 - at the moment the BCS doesn't have a purpose, other than pushing its superfluous certifications. Its focus has usually been on IT management rather than ordinary developers/testers/etc.

Former BCS member.

Re:Activision-Blizzard layoffs after reporting record results by arm85 on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @08:47AM (#19152993)
Yeah, I'm not particularly keen on the BCS either.