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Re:AI Sports Journalist Covers Every Division I College Bask... by cryptoz on Wednesday November 17, 2010 @11:28AM (#1914715)
The future. It has arrived. I remember reading a few years ago that sports writing is very formulaic and should be possible to automate. At the time, nobody had really done it...but here we are. It's fantastic to see all this "weak AI" out there, making people money and building a reputation for being better than most humans at a task previously thought to be human-only.

Are we slowly walking directly towards strong AI, with all our little tiny steps of weak AI?

I can't wait.

Re:AI Sports Journalist Covers Every Division I College Bask... by ido on Wednesday November 17, 2010 @11:36AM (#1914743)
Playing chess better than humans was also once considered as would-be proof of "Real AI".

As soon as we get an AI doing something that was previously considered intelligent that task is retroactively relabeled as not really requiring intelligence, and consequently "Real AI" remains out of reach.

Re:AI Sports Journalist Covers Every Division I College Bask... by cryptoz on Wednesday November 17, 2010 @11:43AM (#1914765)
That's the AI Effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect

Personally, I believe there's a tipping point where our society will no longer be able to live in denial that we've built AI. We're not there yet since there are still a huge number of things people can do that computers can't. For example, no AI has really passed the Turing Test yet. So pretty obviously, we don't yet have "Real AI", and I understand the AI Effect, even though it's unfortunate.

But surely, there's a point where it'll be blindingly obvious that our machines are intelligent?

Re:AI Sports Journalist Covers Every Division I College Bask... by JonnieCache on Wednesday November 17, 2010 @12:08PM (#1914846)
The point where it is blindingly obvious that we have created intelligent machines will require passing the point where it is blindingly obvious what "intelligence" is. I would go further to describe these as a circular dependency.
Re:AI Sports Journalist Covers Every Division I College Bask... by jokermatt999 on Wednesday November 17, 2010 @12:48PM (#1914980)
Indeed, it seems like some peoples' definition of "intelligence" is "what humans can do that computers can't".
Re:AI Sports Journalist Covers Every Division I College Bask... by JonnieCache on Wednesday November 17, 2010 @02:48PM (#1915449)
That seems like a perfectly valid definition. Certainly one of the most useful and least arbitrary that we have available to us currently.
Re:AI Sports Journalist Covers Every Division I College Bask... by nl on Wednesday November 17, 2010 @08:07PM (#1916408)
No, it's not a valid definition, because human capabilities vary way too much.

Name something that "humans can do that computers can't", and I bet I'll find you a human person that can't do it either.

For example, at a previous job we wanted to introduce cognitive captchas to avoid accessibility issues with visual ones. We were told we couldn't do that because some of our target audience had learning difficulties and would not be able to pass them. (Coincidentally, there was HN post the other day about how Wolfram Alpha can pass a good proportion of captchas similar to what we had planned to use)

Re:AI Sports Journalist Covers Every Division I College Bask... by joshes on Wednesday November 17, 2010 @02:04PM (#1915299)
I fear that society at large will not really get past this denial you speak of until we have a humanoid type of AI, something that the standard, non-science oriented person can look at and say, "Wow this is uncanny." It will need to be shoved right in their face in the most blatant way imaginable.

Advances in natural language processing, metaheuristics and machine learning, as examples, are clearly steps toward the "holy grail" but to the average person it is nigh meaningless.

Re:AI Sports Journalist Covers Every Division I College Bask... by njharman on Wednesday November 17, 2010 @01:48PM (#1915239)
Artificial Intelligence is not hard, we've had it for awhile i.e. chess.

Lay people think AI means something like artificial intuition. Which is very hard and can only be done poorly within narrow domains.

Re:AI Sports Journalist Covers Every Division I College Bask... by baddox on Wednesday November 17, 2010 @06:24PM (#1916161)
There's always the Turing test.
Re:AI Sports Journalist Covers Every Division I College Bask... by javanix on Wednesday November 17, 2010 @02:40PM (#1915423)
No, this does not herald the future.

This heralds the relatively-recent arrival of advanced statistics to the college basketball world - rebounding percentages, scoring percentages, runs -- these are pieces of information anyone could glean by simply looking at a box score, or, at worst, looking at a site with advanced metrics like www.kenpomeroy.com.

All of the game recaps read basically the same - a sure sign of a homogenous data set combined with some fairly crafty name-replacement.

Perhaps this could replace the AP game recaps, but anything beyond that is still far beyond our AI reach.

Re:AI Sports Journalist Covers Every Division I College Bask... by smokinn on Wednesday November 17, 2010 @05:08PM (#1915955)
Well it's a first step.

The next step is pretty obvious: Use voice recognition software to analyze the remarks made by the announcers over the course of the game and blend that into the reporting. If you can properly analyze inflection and special events from the speech of the live game you can add game highlights to the article.

Re:AI Sports Journalist Covers Every Division I College Bask... by JonnieCache on Wednesday November 17, 2010 @11:35AM (#1914740)
Surely strong AI is by definition such a paradigm shift that it cannot be achieved with lots of little steps of weak AI? I thought that was kind of the point of the strong/weak AI dichotomy.
Re:AI Sports Journalist Covers Every Division I College Bask... by jerf on Wednesday November 17, 2010 @12:49PM (#1914983)
A definition has no power to change the engineering feasibility of a task. If it is possible to build a strong AI from a series of weak AI steps, which is certainly not out of the question (one can argue that's how human brains work), no amount of definition will change that.
Re:AI Sports Journalist Covers Every Division I College Bask... by JonnieCache on Wednesday November 17, 2010 @03:01PM (#1915496)
However if we accept the definition, then it is surely meaningless (pointless?) to discuss AI progress in those terms.

EDIT: what i really mean is that I reject the strong/weak AI dichotomy. I really need to resist the urge to play pointless semantic games. Guess thats an occupational hazard of programming all day long.

Re:AI Sports Journalist Covers Every Division I College Bask... by joshes on Wednesday November 17, 2010 @02:07PM (#1915309)
This takes us back to the problem of emergence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence), something that AI researchers, entomologists, economists, et al. have been struggling with for some time.
Re:AI Sports Journalist Covers Every Division I College Bask... by cryptoz on Wednesday November 17, 2010 @11:38AM (#1914747)
Sure, and that's why I phrased that suggestion as a question. Maybe we're not walking towards strong AI with weak AI steps. But...with AI writing sports articles now, it seems logical to wonder if perhaps small progressions in the capabilities of weak AI systems will result in real, full AGI.
Re:AI Sports Journalist Covers Every Division I College Bask... by abstractbill on Wednesday November 17, 2010 @12:08PM (#1914849)
Maybe we're not walking towards strong AI with weak AI steps.

Just a random thought, but even if all of our weak AI systems don't directly result in us being able to build a strong AI, maybe they will do so indirectly. We might be able to use all of these weak AI systems to train a more general-purpose strong AI system.