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Re:What every physicist should know about string theory by mnl on Monday February 11, 2019 @06:08PM (#19139415)
I found HN somewhat amusing when it came to physics, now I find it increasingly irritating. I don't think the same arrogant know-it-all attitude coming from laypersons would take place if the topic were neurosurgery or the theory of integro-differential equations. For some reason physics gets the "they don't know what they're doing" treatment by people that haven't bothered to get any formal training on it.

Well I have, and even though I'm not too keen on superstring theory I just couldn't dismiss it like this. It makes sense, it's important and it's a possibility worthy enough to be explored. Will people here just try to understand that they're talking about another profession with a really high skill access barrier that takes many years of hard work to become just acquainted with? Can we please just admit that if we don't know what we're talking about, we really don't know what we're talking about?

Re:What every physicist should know about string theory by JKCalhoun on Monday February 11, 2019 @07:18PM (#19139846)
> Can we please just admit that if we don't know what we're talking about

Poster you're replying to admits they're a layman. As am I.

Perhaps the people writing articles for the laymen should do a better job explaining the redeeming aspects of String Theory. Because like the OP, I too have been left with the impression (from reading articles targeting laymen) that String Theory is clever math in search of a reality it can describe.

Re:What every physicist should know about string theory by mcnamaratw on Monday February 11, 2019 @08:50PM (#19140333)
Laypeople can go ahead and express opinions about physics they don't understand, in exactly the same way a layperson can read HN and then go on to express opinions about the merits of Java vs Ruby without ever trying either language. It's a little bit silly, though.
Re:What every physicist should know about string theory by goatlover on Monday February 11, 2019 @11:01PM (#19140940)
Wait, is Java point particles and Ruby superstrings, with LISP being quantum fields?
Re:What every physicist should know about string theory by mcnamaratw on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @07:51AM (#19152630)
Sure! Any two things I don't understand are equivalent to me!
Re:What every physicist should know about string theory by evanb on Monday February 18, 2019 @10:45AM (#19191451)
Physics Today isn't for laymen. It's a trade journal, for physicists.
Re:What every physicist should know about string theory by Koshkin on Monday February 11, 2019 @08:46PM (#19140314)
Which it indeed is.
Re:What every physicist should know about string theory by madhadron on Monday February 11, 2019 @06:20PM (#19139503)
I partially feel the same way. At the same time, there are a lot more people who studied physics commenting on Hacker News than neurosurgeons. So you have people who have passed the skills barrier commenting negatively. Does that encourage people who have not passed the skills barrier to feel safe to comment?
Re:What every physicist should know about string theory by martinpw on Monday February 11, 2019 @06:57PM (#19139739)
I think one of the frustrations is probably that the tone, and level of nuance and confidence expressed seems to be inversely correlated with level of expertise in the field.

So for example from the current thread:

(someone with training in the field): "It makes sense, it's important and it's a possibility worthy enough to be explored."

versus:

(admittedly uninformed person): "As a layman from a distance, [...] it's total garbage."

Re:What every physicist should know about string theory by maxxxxx on Monday February 11, 2019 @07:07PM (#19139788)
I like to read about physics and as far as i understand the energies needed to confirm string theory are so far out that we will potentially never achieve them. I also read that a lot of physicists believe that string theorists have lost touch with reality.

Is there any nearer term benefit that may come out of string theory ? I am honestly curious. Somehow I find it hard to believe that so many very intelligent people are chasing something misguided.

Re:What every physicist should know about string theory by auntienomen on Monday February 11, 2019 @10:56PM (#19140915)
I don't think there's any direct near-term benefit that will come out of it, especially of the engineering variety. Our civilization doesn't even make use of the subnuclear physics described by quantum chromodynamics, which is now nearly 40+ years old. It's likely to be a long time before we 'need' correct physical models on shorter distance scales.

That said, we're not devoting the kind of resources to string theory that we devote to engineering ready problems. Probably somewhere in the ballpark of $10M/year worldwide funding provided by various governments, with a similar amount provided by private donors. This is rounding error. In the US, we spend about 10x this on the National Endowment for the Arts.

You can make an argument that all money spent on extensions of the Standard Model (and there are a lot of them besides string theory) has been wasted. But string theory at least has taught us far more about the structure of the mathematical models we use to describe physics than any of its competitors. This is why people continue to study it, even in the absence of experimental confirmation.

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Re:What every physicist should know about string theory by mnl on Monday February 11, 2019 @06:57PM (#19139744)
I'm just tired of nonsense. I don't understand what's the point in writing op-eds pontificating about things you have no idea, and now they're coming in every day because for some reason many in the HN community think that you can get an education in theoretical physics by reading popsci and blogs.

I know everybody has an opinion about everything under the Sun, me having an opinion about theirs is only natural. I'm just pointing out the fact that laypersons feel increasingly entitled to dismiss not only the professional work of experts, but whole bodies of knowledge available to them but that they can't be bothered to study. As I don't know whether the professional fields of these people allow for winging it, I'm assuming that maybe they think that you can do that in physics. Well you can't, so if you have a problem with some physical theory the proper way is to engage like everybody else, not trying to kill whatever you don't like because how it sounds from the proudest and laziest outside.

This new sense of entitlement from the opinionated laypersons is actually an antiscience stand, this is what gets you anti-vaxxers and shuts down funding of honest research.

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Re:What every physicist should know about string theory by peteradio on Monday February 11, 2019 @09:08PM (#19140410)