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Re:America Lets Too Much Young Talent Go to Waste by Broken_Hippo on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @02:17PM (#19098680)
I think Norway has a similar program. 16 year olds go to school - it can be trade school or continuing education for university prep (or both, depending). It also isn't mandatory, even though most folks go.
Re:America Lets Too Much Young Talent Go to Waste by hinkley on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @04:12PM (#19100016)
Can we just go ahead and split computer programming into vocational and science-based tracks while we're at it?

There are a lot of people who can or could stitch together existing libraries to accomplish results. There are a lot fewer people (than are currently participating) who have any business writing those libraries in the first place.

My hope is that if we just acknowledged the difference in these two problem domains we might get more quality over quantity in the places where it really matters.

Re:America Lets Too Much Young Talent Go to Waste by dagw on Thursday February 07, 2019 @04:26AM (#19104062)
Sweden does this. You can either go to university and get a Computer Science or Computer Engineering degree in 3-5 years or go to vocational school and get a programming diploma in 1-2 years.
Re:America Lets Too Much Young Talent Go to Waste by baroffoos on Thursday February 07, 2019 @12:30AM (#19103231)
We already do. Its called junior web development. Which most of the time just involves installing wordpress plugins.
Re:America Lets Too Much Young Talent Go to Waste by stereographic on Thursday February 07, 2019 @08:45AM (#19105126)
The college I went to in Eastern Canada does this, I'm employed after a two year diploma based program, rather than a 4 year CS degree
Re:America Lets Too Much Young Talent Go to Waste by Thlom on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @03:20PM (#19099425)
Yes. Unfortunately trade school looks more and more like regular high school these days and apprenticeships in many trades is I low supply. :-(
Re:America Lets Too Much Young Talent Go to Waste by hinkley on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @04:15PM (#19100046)
Do you think there's a way we could run apprenticeships that makes them more attractive to adults seeking to retrain?

I wonder sometimes how much of the problem with switching careers comes down to the usual scapegoat - lack of humility - and how much of it comes instead from infantilizing the students.

If we're going to keep moving the workforce around every 15 years then we need a way for someone^W most people to comfortably have 3-4 fairly distinct careers in their lifetime.

Re:America Lets Too Much Young Talent Go to Waste by hajile on Tuesday February 12, 2019 @08:52AM (#19143395)
Worked construction when I was younger. If you're in the electrical Union, you'll easily make 60k per year (even in southern States where average family incomes are often under 40k). After a few years, making over 100k is very possible. In addition, the benefits and retirement are very good.

But you'll be putting in 50-60 hour weeks in the cold and heat. On the bright side, the work isn't as physically demanding as some other jobs.

I've pitched the idea to a bunch of friends who seem to have an aptitude. They'd all rather with as delivery boys, waiters, or whatever low end job. They don't want a "dirty job". They want to hold out for an easy money desk job. Screw working in the cold, I'll just stick with my $7.25/he job.