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Re:The rise of alternative milks by mixmastamyk on Saturday February 02, 2019 @03:42PM (#19065579)
You can stand just about anything, just have to give it a chance. I’m reminded of a decade or two back when I switched to diet drinks, though I preferred the sugared. Now sugar soda tastes horrible. In the 80s we moved to low-fat milk, shortly after whole tasted horrible. How did I ever drink this?

Take a month off then try a unsweetened coconut/almond blend, get over the hump, wait two months. You’ll be surprised at the taste and possibly disgusted you ever breastfed as an adult at a random animal you don’t know.

Re:The rise of alternative milks by pofilat on Saturday February 02, 2019 @07:58PM (#19067028)
It's tacky to try to describe things in weird terms to make them sound bad instead of arguing their merirs. I'd rather "breasfeet at a random animal" than "eat genetically engineered things that grow in dirt and manure, covered in bugs".
Re:The rise of alternative milks by mixmastamyk on Saturday February 02, 2019 @09:29PM (#19067415)
Most gmo free at our market. Drinking milk as an adult is weird. One is natural, one isn’t.
Re:The rise of alternative milks by kbutler on Saturday February 02, 2019 @09:55PM (#19067524)
> One is natural, one isn’t.

Yes, but not the one you mean.

Cow milk: can consume it straight as it is produced by nature, right out of the cow (but chilled is probably tastier). Can consume milks from lots of other animals, too. The only reason adult animals don't frequently consume milk is probably just availability. https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/64822/are-humans... has interesting info, including adult wild birds finding they could peck through aluminum lids to get milk and wild gulls consuming seal milk.

Soy milk: consuming a liquid produced by soaking, cooking, blending, and straining a plant part that is unsafe for humans to eat until processed by heat or fermentation. https://healthyeatinghttps://healthyeating.sfgate.com/happen... Then if you're buying it from a market, it has probably been packaged into a plastic or plastic-lined container (like commercial cow's milk) and processed to be shelf-stable for months, all to provide a close similarity to that "weird" drinking milk as an adult.

"Natural", although often overloaded and used politically, can't quite stretch that far.

Re:The rise of alternative milks by mixmastamyk on Sunday February 03, 2019 @12:59AM (#19068113)
I don’t drink soy milk. Packaging is hardly relevant. You may have missed the part of the article that describes how most adult humans are lactose intolerant.
Re:The rise of alternative milks by kbutler on Monday February 04, 2019 @10:16AM (#19076938)
Almond and coconut milk? Yes, almost as natural as cow milk.

But why are you blending and steeping and straining the coconut/almond material instead of just eating it? Oh yeah, because you want it to be like what you'd get from "breastfeeding from a random animal" as an adult.

Lactose intolerance is about as relevant as nut allergies, except it's unlikely to kill you.

Re:The rise of alternative milks by mixmastamyk on Monday February 04, 2019 @01:08PM (#19078840)
So cooking is unnatural to you? Uh huh.
Re:The rise of alternative milks by kbutler on Thursday February 07, 2019 @03:38PM (#19108354)
Absolutely - cooking is a totally unnatural thing that humans have learned to do, because it provides additional nutrients, calories, and variety. Find an animal in the wild that cooks its food... Closest may be the firehawks, which may spread fire to help hunting (live) prey. (Though many wild animals are happy to consume cooked food if available!)

But in drinking "not animal milk" you're trying to artificially approximate the experience of drinking "animal milk", which you described as unnatural.

Note that I'm not one to say that "unnatural == bad". I think cooking is good. I think dairy is good. I think consuming something nutritious in its natural state is more natural than cooking something.

You're free to differ.

Re:The rise of alternative milks by hoaw on Saturday February 02, 2019 @03:54PM (#19065649)
You do get used to it, but it is also a different experience. Most plant based milks won't be fresh (both in taste and literally) or neutral in taste. If I drink soy milk for awhile I can appreciate it, but I still wouldn't drink it as a standalone beverage. On the other hand I don't really have a need to drink milk as a beverage either.
Re:The rise of alternative milks by code_duck on Saturday February 02, 2019 @04:13PM (#19065749)
I ate a lot of milk and cheese my entire life. Once I stopped, it was shocking how the aroma of dairy changed for me. Now it smells like old fingernails and skin, which makes perfect sense.
Re:The rise of alternative milks by oska on Saturday February 02, 2019 @05:30PM (#19066196)
> Now it smells like old fingernails and skin, which makes perfect sense.

Doesn't make 'perfect sense' to me. Maybe poetic sense if you're coming from a certain point of view.

Re:The rise of alternative milks by code_duck on Saturday February 02, 2019 @06:09PM (#19066445)
If I’m not mistaken, the composition and origin are fairly similar. Milk is something that is excreted from a reproductive gland on a stock animal.
Re:The rise of alternative milks by pofilat on Saturday February 02, 2019 @07:59PM (#19067033)
which is not where nails come from.

Calling breast a reproductive gland is weird. It's a secondary sexual feature, sure, but it's a feeding gland, whose specific purpose is to provide edible nourishment.

Re:The rise of alternative milks by code_duck on Monday February 04, 2019 @11:27AM (#19077608)
Yeah, nails come from a similar process on a different part of the same animal. Not sure why you want to argue this point so much. To me, milk and cheese now smells like a bunch of old skin. Maybe you should try it and check back with your own results.

Your explanation of breasts is kind of odd, too. Biologically, the only purpose they serve is reproductive. Who exactly do you think is being fed by those glands? Your best friend’s mom? You are trying to say that nourishing your young is not a reproductive activity? Then what is it? Fine dining? If the purpose is to provide ‘edible nourishment’ for just everyone apparently, where are all the breast cafés? I would love some edible nourishment.

Re:The rise of alternative milks by jelliclesfarm on Saturday February 02, 2019 @08:17PM (#19067118)
Actually this might an interesting read..I have been obsessed with this for a bit now..re why mammals nourish their young with their bodily secretions..: The Evolution of Milk Casein Genes from Tooth Genes before the Origin of Mammals : https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/28/7/2053/1047188

And this:

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150725-breastfeeding-has-an... : why did some animals evolve milk and breastfeeding