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Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by SubuSS on Thursday January 31, 2019 @06:30PM (#19050112)
I don't understand: Do you expect to be able to run any programs you want on the micro-controller on your washing machine?

That's what Apple is doing here. Pushing iPhone as a commodity, not a replacement for your macbook. This way they get the benefits of controlling the experience as much as they want. (I am not saying it is right or wrong, just that many people are fine with commodity phones and don't care for the loss of configurability).

Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by RandomBK on Thursday January 31, 2019 @07:12PM (#19050418)
If the washing machine was internet connected, then yes. If not, I'd still like the JTAG interface intact.

Now, _will_ I do that? Probably not, but my opinion is that as the owner of the device, I should have the ability to do so if I so choose.

Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by xvector on Friday February 01, 2019 @12:50AM (#19051977)
> I should have the ability to do so if I so choose.

And what about the manufacturer? Why should it be their legal responsibility to satisfy your whims for programmable interfaces?

Not to mention what you're mentioning that what you're suggesting will make the iPhone incredibly insecure.

Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by RandomBK on Friday February 01, 2019 @03:48AM (#19052637)
I'm not sure where you're getting the "legal responsibility" part from - I'm not advocating legislation, simply stating my personal preferences as a consumer. I do what I can to try and bring others to my point of view, but I am in no part trying to push this as a legal burden on manufacturers. Please don't bring strawman arguments into this, this topic is complex and nuanced enough as-is.

Regarding security, that very much depends on your threat model and definition of "secure". Indeed, I see this general trend of decreasing user control over increasingly complex and connected hardware as a massive security threat where I am forced to trust multiple 3rd parties who may arbitrarily disrupt my life anytime new "features" or "policies" get pushed out.

It is perfectly possible to securely implement a tamper-evident "I know what I'm doing" switch/fuse that enables advanced control by device owners. However, I'm well aware that I'm in the minority on this topic, so I'm not holding my breath for such features to be implemented.

Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by SubuSS on Thursday January 31, 2019 @07:33PM (#19050575)
how does connectivity matter in relation to ability to custom program?
Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by RandomBK on Thursday January 31, 2019 @07:47PM (#19050651)
On second thought, it doesn't. I just wanted a easy way to distinguish complex IoT devices from simpler ones.
Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by driverdan on Friday February 01, 2019 @12:56PM (#19056512)
I don't use a washing machine controller as a general purpose computing device. I don't install apps on a washing machine and would never buy one that had that feature. It's not a reasonable comparison.

That said, I doubt washing machine microcontrollers use signed code. It's easier to modify them than your phone which is completely backwards.

Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by Natanael_L on Thursday January 31, 2019 @07:27PM (#19050535)
You haven't seen Apple's commercials? "what's a computer"? This is the ONLY experience they want everybody expect
Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by saagarjha on Thursday January 31, 2019 @08:26PM (#19050820)
Except, you know, they still sell Macs.
Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by stale2002 on Thursday January 31, 2019 @08:42PM (#19050886)
> Do you expect to be able to run any programs you want on the micro-controller on your washing machine?

Yes. It is within my full legal right to install whatever programs I want on my washing machine.

Apple lost a bunch of lawsuits, when it tried to sue people for doing this. The courts proved that yes, you do have a legal right to do whatever you want with hardware that you own.

Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by Legogris on Thursday January 31, 2019 @07:49PM (#19050666)
JTAG interfaces on washing machines are not that uncommon, so this is absolutely a thing.