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Re:Google’s also peddling a data collector through Apple’s b... by shittyadmin on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @04:03PM (#19039451)
Sounds quite similar to the way TV ratings are done - is this really such an issue? It's very much an opt in service designed to measure audiences.

Unlike hidden terms in privacy policies it's made quite clear what's going on here.

Re:Google’s also peddling a data collector through Apple’s b... by ehsankia on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @10:13PM (#19041980)
Indeed, the real issue here is the use for Apple's Enterprise keys, not the app itself. The parent comment entirely misses the point of the article.
Re:Google’s also peddling a data collector through Apple’s b... by zaksoup on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @04:51PM (#19039937)
Your cable box isn’t decrypting your entire household’s tls traffic when it reports episode watch statistics.
Re:Google’s also peddling a data collector through Apple’s b... by x0x0 on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @05:01PM (#19040035)
Can you actually do that from a router? Wouldn't you have to put that tls cert on every laptop and phone?
Re:Google’s also peddling a data collector through Apple’s b... by notatoad on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @05:21PM (#19040208)
Not only can you not do it from a router, Google's chrome browser is one of the leading reason's why you can't.

however, with the browser extension installed you don't need to - they just read the content after your browser decrypts it.

Re:Google’s also peddling a data collector through Apple’s b... by prepend on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @05:44PM (#19040403)
Router could mitm and chrome could allow it since they have google CAs in their chain.

Don’t know if they are doing this, but it’s certaibly possible to do this at router (or router dumps traffic to google to decrypt).

It’s much easier for google to do this since they make chrome. Another company would have to adjust the cert trust on each machine.

Re:Google’s also peddling a data collector through Apple’s b... by tedivm on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @06:14PM (#19040647)
> Router could mitm and chrome could allow it since they have google CAs in their chain.

That would require Google either sending the traffic back to google and out again (slowing a lot of things down) or Google putting a signed private key on the router themselves (a violation of CA agreements and a remarkably stupid thing to do in general). If they did that it would not be difficult for someone to extract that key and certificate. This would be a huge security breach.

Re:Google’s also peddling a data collector through Apple’s b... by prepend on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @09:28PM (#19041768)
The decryption doesn’t have to happen in real-time since it’s just analytics. Dumping all traffic off to google doubles bandwidth but could be done in a way to minimize slowdown for users.

I agree that it’s a security breach, but it happens all the time. Look at enterprise products like ForcePoint [0] that will do deep inspection on https sessions because they have custom CA installed on enterprise clients. Many companies do this.

Because it’s their router hardware it would be possible to present anyone extracting the intermediate mitm carts and keys. The data are likely sensitive, but that’s what They have already.

Tools like ForcePoint don’t put a “real” CA cert on the device. They typically create a new CA per device, install that into the downstream client CA trusted roots and then generate mitm certs signing with this new cert.

[0] https://www.websense.com/content/support/library/web/hosted/...

Re:Google’s also peddling a data collector through Apple’s b... by strictnein on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @10:01PM (#19041915)
Routing all your traffic through Google's networks wouldn't result in a noticeable network lag.

Corporations install root certs all the time. It wouldn't require violating CA agreements.

Re:Google’s also peddling a data collector through Apple’s b... by gaius on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @04:55PM (#19039982)
This means that Google has the login details for your bank. You are almost definitely in violation of the bank’s ToS by divulging them
Re:Google’s also peddling a data collector through Apple’s b... by shittyadmin on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @05:07PM (#19040108)
It's most likely targeted only at relevant sites.