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Re:Pwn the LIFX Mini white by onion2k on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @04:43AM (#19033804)
If someone gets into your house to steal your lighbulb and cut it open, you probably have bigger problems than your wifi password being stolen.

No house-breaking is necessary. I could just go and buy a super fancy smart bulb and give it to you. You don't need your old insecure smart bulb any more so you put it in the bin. I take it from your bin. Now I have access to your network.

Your tech-savvy neighbour is the threat 99.99% of people should worry about, not a nation-state funded intelligence agency.

Re:Pwn the LIFX Mini white by skrap on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @07:37AM (#19034559)
> Your tech-savvy neighbour is the threat 99.99% of people should worry about, not a nation-state funded intelligence agency.

You have a really pessimistic view of neighbors, I must say. If my neighbor walked up to me and asked for my wifi password, I'd probably give it to them.

IMO the threat 99.99% of people should worry about are botnets, whether created by state-level actors, criminal gangs, or script kiddies. These vulnerabilities are not interesting for those purposes.

Re:Pwn the LIFX Mini white by 8fingerlouie on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @07:02AM (#19034385)
Or i could just dump a Raspberry Pi Zero W attached to a 10000 mAh power bank in your garden, and wait for it to capture a 4 way handshake. Retrieve the data from the Pi, and throw some serious cloud computing power at it while bruteforcing the password.

Granted, it's going to take longer (perhaps), but chances are you'll never notice until it is too late. Of course, most users won't notice new devices on their Wifi anyway.

People keep forgetting that Wifi is per definition insecure. It's not a point to point technology, and every single packet you send is broadcast in a wide area around you. Furthermore, all current authentication methods, WEP/WPA/WPA2 (excluding WPA3 for now, as it has yet to see wide adoption), have all been cracked in one way or another.

Re:Pwn the LIFX Mini white by yellowapple on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @11:14PM (#19042273)
Why go with something in the garden? If you're an evil wifi-stealing neighbor, surely you're already within wireless range, no?
Re:Pwn the LIFX Mini white by brohee on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @05:07AM (#19033910)
The WiFi password will be there in any case, obfuscating it is not a big hurdle, and asking a secure element in a $30 lightbulb is unreasonable in a world where many PC still ship without a TPM chip.

People sure should have a dedicated IoT network, but in the grand scheme of things, home networks are not usually that sensitive, as in no important yet unencrypted service will be exposed internally as it is typically the case in enterprise networks.

Re:Pwn the LIFX Mini white by kortilla on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @06:04AM (#19034146)
Why would I throw away a perfectly good led smart bulb just because I got another one?

That’s a pretty far fetched social engineering scheme if you ask me.

Re:Pwn the LIFX Mini white by nkozyra on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @06:26AM (#19034245)
Yeah, I don't find it particularly compelling.

To me the most compelling vector is actually selling compromised smart bulbs online that phone home and do more malicious stuff. In which case, the internal security of the device is irrelevant.

Re:Pwn the LIFX Mini white by general8bitso on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @08:12AM (#19034726)
This would be trivial with Amazon comingling inventory.
Re:Pwn the LIFX Mini white by akerl_ on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @10:02AM (#19035537)
If my neighbor is an evil adversary and they give me a lightbulb, why wouldn’t they just have the lightbulb modified to send them an email with the wifi password when I enter it?
Re:Pwn the LIFX Mini white by donatj on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @10:35AM (#19035856)
> buy a super fancy smart bulb and give it to you. You don't need your old insecure smart bulb any more so you put it in the bin.

I don’t see anyone throwing out a working $30 light bulb.