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Re:Instacart paying 80 cents an hour because worker received... by function_seven on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @04:43PM (#19030071)
The Fair Labor Standards Act disallows this type of agreement for ordinarily-tipped jobs.

I don't know how the contractor status of Instacart drivers affects this. They're not technically employees. But the verbiage of "Tip" in the UI is a strong signal to the customer that the money is directly credited to the driver. It should bear no relation to their fee from Instacart.

This is wage theft. A horrible agreement doesn't make it right, even if it is legal.

Re:Instacart paying 80 cents an hour because worker received... by Domenic_S on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @06:19PM (#19030901)
The google term you want is "tip credit" -- it is common and legal federally and in most states to deduct tips from your hourly wage. Washington state is one of the few where tip credits are not legal.

This is a very common setup in other pay structures as well, such as commissioned sales where you are paid a "draw" (such as minimum wage) and you don't paid get any commission until your commissions exceed minimum wage.

What's more, the tip money did go directly to the driver; Instacart just decided to pay less.

It's a pretty inhumane thing to do but on the face of it I don't see how it's wage theft. Welcome to the gig economy.

Re:Instacart paying 80 cents an hour because worker received... by tareqak on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @10:05PM (#19032273)
How is this allowed by law? If you have to pay back your minimum wage before you get your commission then it’s not really a minimum wage.
Re:Instacart paying 80 cents an hour because worker received... by Domenic_S on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @10:14PM (#19032315)
There are lots of kinds of draw, but this kind is essentially a loan against your future commissions (or in our context, against your tips).

Here's some more information about how it works legally: https://corporate.findlaw.com/human-resources/legal-consider...

Re:Instacart paying 80 cents an hour because worker received... by pkaye on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @05:14PM (#19030357)
The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) covers only employees, not independent contractors.
Re:Instacart paying 80 cents an hour because worker received... by FireBeyond on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @07:25PM (#19031380)
Maybe so, but WA State Labor and Industries is not quite so "generous" to the gig economy, including their test for contractors, which is a bit more ... "rigorous" ... than some startups would like:

Does the independent contractor bring more than their personal labor?

Do they hire crew of their own or are they bringing other employees?

Or, are they bringing heavy or costly specialized equipment?

Are they an established business, working without your direction or control?

Are they free from your supervision, direction or control?

Is the individual’s business different and separate from your own?

Is the individual’s service “outside the usual course of business,” or in other words, does the contractor do something different from what you do?

Is the individual’s service being performed “outside of all of the places of business,” or in other words, does the contractor perform the service away from where you perform your services?

Is the individual contractually obligated to pay costs affiliated with the location from where the work is controlled (usually its headquarters)?

Does the individual have an established independent business that existed before you brought them on – OR – does the individual have a principal place of business that qualifies for an IRS business deduction?

Do you have evidence to demonstrate that the individual has an established business?

Does the individual have a principal place of business that qualifies for an IRS business deduction? Do you have evidence to demonstrate it?

Is the individual responsible for filing a schedule of expenses with the IRS, such as would be part of a business tax return?

Does the individual have all required registrations and licenses for their business?

Does the individual maintain his/her own set of books and records that reflect all income and expenses of the business?

This question is for construction contractors only: Is the individual a properly registered contractor?

Note that this is not an "Answer 'yes' to any question to be considered a Contractor", it's a "totality" thing. (https://www.lni.wa.gov/IPUB/101-063-000.pdf)

"I subcontracted some work to a guy who has a contractor’s registration with L&I. Doesn’t that mean he’s not my employee?"

Not necessarily. L&I auditors look at “direction or control” and other factors described on the previous pages. Because he is a construction contractor, all seven parts of RCW 51.08.181 must be met.

And so on...

Re:Instacart paying 80 cents an hour because worker received... by pkaye on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @09:00PM (#19031934)
All great questions but what has the state labor board not been enforcing it on Instacart up to now?
Re:Instacart paying 80 cents an hour because worker received... by FireBeyond on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @10:35PM (#19032404)
Because it wasn't obvious / evident / they haven't received a complaint from an affected individual in regards to this practice?
Re:Instacart paying 80 cents an hour because worker received... by garmaine on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @04:58AM (#19033871)
Regulations typically aren’t proactively enforced, but retroactively penalized.
Re:Instacart paying 80 cents an hour because worker received... by foobiekr on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @11:29PM (#19032673)
Yet another reason this independent contractors thing is an exploitive scam.
Re:Instacart paying 80 cents an hour because worker received... by muzani on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @11:37PM (#19032718)
Logically, independent contractors should get paid more, not less, than full time employees, because they don't get the other benefits.