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Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by AlexandrB on Friday January 25, 2019 @04:41PM (#19002789)
> At some point the game companies should bear some of the responsibility for deceiving children.

I hope a reckoning is coming in this regard. Many games include mechanics that are hard to distinguish from video slot machines and should be regulated the same way gambling is (rated 18+, audited for "fairness").

Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by Spooky23 on Friday January 25, 2019 @06:33PM (#19003640)
Unlikely. Society shifted and gambling is stigma free.

My son is old enough that arcades are interesting to him now. I was pretty shocked to see how they have declined into shitty skinner boxes and games of chance to win tickets. That was always a factor, but is much more prominent today.

The casual acceptance of sports betting is another example of that shift. There’s probably some free marketeer who will opine that teaching children about gambling is a good thing!

Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by FiveSquared on Friday January 25, 2019 @09:12PM (#19004319)
Well sports betting has been around forever, but dark patterns and intentional deception in mobile games leads to children being manipulated. Not consenting adults, CHILDREN.

https://humanetech.com/

Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by Mirioron on Sunday January 27, 2019 @01:34AM (#19010609)
Yeah, I wonder where the parents are when kids do this. Kids don't earn their own money. But I guess expecting parents to actually parent is too much nowadays.
Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by PavlovsCat on Saturday January 26, 2019 @06:46AM (#19005913)
> Society shifted

Nah. Some people in it shifted, dragged a whole lot of fools with them, didn't experience a reckoning right away, and now think the air's clear. The main punishment for what they've become is being what they've become, that stigma remains whether they can see it or not. They might find themselves scratching at closed doors for undiseased sources of nourishment at some point.

Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by int_19h on Friday January 25, 2019 @07:37PM (#19003933)
I wouldn't exactly call it stigma free to let (much less encourage) kids gamble. There's a difference between acceptance, and anything goes.
Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by fhbdukfrh on Friday January 25, 2019 @08:40PM (#19004181)
Well, i went to the local arcade with my 9 year old last weekend. It is fully licensed, has games where you drop a ball (at a cost of about 2 bucks) to win tickets ranging in value from 10 to 500 points and redeem them for prizes like candy and video game themed toys.

I'd say that's stigma-free.

Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by asynchrony on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:52PM (#19004655)
Legislation is stuck at the money-in-money-out mechanic.
Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by Mirioron on Sunday January 27, 2019 @01:32AM (#19010605)
That's because gambling, by definition, requires money to change hands.
Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by leetcrew on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:53PM (#19004659)
honestly I think gambling could be a good thing for a child if they use money they've worked hard for themselves. sooner or later they will suffer a bad loss and have no new toys for a while. maybe give them some "margin" too to really get the point home.
Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by onion2k on Sunday January 27, 2019 @04:42AM (#19011092)
Gambling companies aren't stupid. You only ever lose what you stake, and gambling machines aimed at kids always return a small win, but usually smaller than the stake. That difference is what funds the larger wins (and company profit), but it's the small wins that keep kids playing. When a kid gambles away all their money and all the small win returns that's just "bad luck", and next time they might get a big win and walk away.

Letting kids gambling is a parental choice, but if you think it's teaching your kid a valuable lesson you are dead wrong.

Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by leetcrew on Sunday January 27, 2019 @09:44AM (#19011867)
I'm not really talking about just letting children open fifty loot boxes back to back. the kid doesn't necessarily understand they are losing in that scenario.

I'm thinking more about games like roulette, poker, dice with chores money. maybe it would need to be in a more controlled environment, like family game night.

not exactly gambling, but I learned a great lesson from my father this way when I was about eleven or twelve. I really wanted some expensive Lego so I begged my dad to lend money to purchase it. at first he wouldn't do it, but eventually he decided it might be a good learning experience for me. I had a blast playing with that set for a month or two, but after a while it was just one more toy that I owned. it took a lot longer than that to pay him back, so I had ample time to reflect on how much it sucked to be in debt. I never asked my dad for another toy loan, and I've basically never considered borrowing money again for anything other than college.

Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by fhbdukfrh on Saturday January 26, 2019 @03:39PM (#19008336)
Why do you expect a child to learn a logical lesson that millions of adults don't understand?
Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by hopler on Saturday January 26, 2019 @07:12PM (#19009451)
Because the adults didn't learn when they were impressionable children?
Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by bytematic on Friday January 25, 2019 @04:49PM (#19002864)
When I followed the Valve game CS:GO a few years ago, I was pretty disgusted by the gambling done in that game. It made up an insane % of players, many of them children, who would bet weapon skins on third party websites based on ESports games. Valve shut those third party sites down but continued to market different kinds of skins such as gloves, music, etc. I wonder how much money moved to and away minors during that period.
Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by knome on Friday January 25, 2019 @08:32PM (#19004146)
I believe it was Belgium that banned unboxing as a form of gambling, leading to it being disabled across Valve games, afaik.
Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by miluge on Saturday January 26, 2019 @11:41AM (#19007002)
Candy Crush is litterally a slot machine on smartphone at least thats how I see it.
Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by efdee on Saturday January 26, 2019 @12:17PM (#19007188)
I've been playing Candy Crush casually for the last 4 years, I'm at a ridiculously high level and have never spent a penny on it.

I don't think calling it a slot machine is fair.

Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by bigbugbag on Saturday January 26, 2019 @06:04PM (#19009152)
Except it is exactly like a slot machine, well akin to an evolved version actually.

It is designed to be addictive with compulsion loops and reinforcement, exploiting brain mechanisms you are not aware of such as disproportionate feedback coming directly from slot machines. Candy crush is a sort of glorified skinner box.

Same as gambling machines, candy crush makes use of "illusion of control" by congratulating the player for being skilled for things that actually happened by chance (or were made to happen by the game itself).

The comparison does not stop here, similar to gambling machines candy crush makes money not on the vast majority of people but on a limited few that will spend lots of money the "whales". The fun thing with candy crush is that as long as you never pay the game plays fair but once you've become a paying customer the game starts to play tricks on you to nudge you into paying more, it will become harder or impossible to win without the use of bonus you have to pay to get. The game actually adapts to you to maximize profit it can squeeze out of you.

There was a detailed article about all this mechanism a few years back when I did not shaarlize[0] all my interesting findings so I can't link it here, but everything I just written comes from memory of what was described in this article.

[0] : https://shaarli.readthedocs.io/en/master/

Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by Mirioron on Sunday January 27, 2019 @01:38AM (#19010621)
>It is designed to be addictive with compulsion loops and reinforcement, exploiting brain mechanisms you are not aware of such as disproportionate feedback coming directly from slot machines. Candy crush is a sort of glorified skinner box.

So, in your opinion what makes something a slot machine is which psychological effects it tries to use?

Do you know where else all of these same psychological effects come up? Human interaction. Candy Crush is basically somebody trying to sweet talk you and wrap you around their finger. Do you consider that to be a slot machine too?

Re:Facebook Let Kids Rack Up Charges on Parents' Credit Cards by rhizome on Sunday January 27, 2019 @12:59PM (#19012828)
So, in your opinion what makes something a slot machine is which psychological effects it tries to use?

I'm not OP, but to me it's the triggered randomness with occasional wins that makes it a slot machine. The intentional psychological effects and engineering to persist the desire to subject oneself to those effects are how King and Zynga are evil companies and deserve to have their corporate charters dissolved. IMHO.