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Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by otachack on Friday January 25, 2019 @03:06PM (#19001972)
Not to mention the abuse of handicap licenses in the states. I speak to this as witnessing an acquaintance borrowing a handicap permit from a family member and using it for themselves. This kind of behavior would have to be enforced more strictly.
Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by smsm42 on Friday January 25, 2019 @03:38PM (#19002276)
Borrowing handicap permit is already illegal, and AFAIR carries pretty hefty fine. Of course, enforcing it is hard - would you demand a spot physical endurance exam from everybody parking in a handicapped place? How would you even know? I used the temporary handicapped placard once for a while, when I broke my leg. When recovering, on some days, I could walk for a bit. On others, I could only walk with crutches and for a short distance. But maybe I was just faking, who knows? And of course I didn't carry my medical records with me everywhere I went. So how would you know if I'm legitimately hurt or just borrowed the placard?

If you are reluctant to harass legitimately disabled people, some amount of abuse would slip in. I think unless the abuse is so rampant that legitimate users get denied access (e.g. so many fakers are parking in handicap spots that the real ones have no spot) ignoring most of it as the inevitable price of not making lives of legitimately affected people yet harder is the right way to go.

Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by mLuby on Friday January 25, 2019 @06:34PM (#19003643)
It would be reasonable to spot-check driver's license (which they necessarily have for driving said vehicle). Should be easy enough to verify against the handicap permit.
Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by anoncoward111 on Friday January 25, 2019 @07:52PM (#19003985)
If I was handicapped and people started gestapo'ing me to make sure I am who I am....

man sometimes you just have to let externalities happen in the name of not screwing over the 99% of people who do it by the book

Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by throwaway234231 on Saturday January 26, 2019 @01:19AM (#19005103)
Where I live, the light rail isn't access controlled, so they send officers around randomly to verify that everyone on the train have a valid pass (and ticket those who don't). Nobody really complains about it or thinks it's invasive.

I don't see how this would be any different.

Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by smsm42 on Saturday January 26, 2019 @03:45AM (#19005500)
I am sure there are still people who manage to ride the rail for free. Not many, but there are. And that's ok, some low-level abuse is perfectly tolerable as long as it's low-level.
Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by jabl on Saturday January 26, 2019 @05:44AM (#19005750)
Same here, and for the metro as well.

That being said, IMHO it's better to tolerate a moderate amount of abuse than going over the wall with enforcement.

Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by yardie on Saturday January 26, 2019 @11:15AM (#19006864)
Completely unreasonable as far as I am concerned. ID checks are done as part of safety checks: drunk driving, speed traps, etc. But they cannot be done without another violation occurring. And that’s more than enough government in my life.
Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by postscapes1 on Friday January 25, 2019 @04:22PM (#19002605)
My office is directly in view of all the handicap spots in a large commercial office buildings so watch this everyday. It is crazy how many people abuse the handicap parking permits.

And then you see the people who really need it and would make a difference if they didn't get those very front spots taken up by these folks.

Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by TylerE on Friday January 25, 2019 @05:31PM (#19003226)
Please don’t be that guy. Manybhandixaps are not visually obvious.
Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by alex_young on Saturday January 26, 2019 @02:46AM (#19005354)
Can confirm. Having a temporary handicapped tag enabled me to get to work when otherwise impossible when I had a broken pelvis. No cast, I could walk a very short distance, and I was a young looking guy driving an SUV in downtown SF. I probably looked like everyone's idea of the problem.
Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by danjayh on Friday January 25, 2019 @05:53PM (#19003400)
Agreed. I have used scooters in stores on days when my knees are unbearably bad. You'd be amazed how many people will give an otherwise healthly looking, reasonably fit/thin 37 year old guy dirty looks for what they assume is a joy ride.
Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by postscapes1 on Friday January 25, 2019 @06:22PM (#19003583)
I try to reserve judgement for only the most blatant of cases.

I just have some anti-American culture hate going on right now (I am an American). You can just feel the entitlement coming off some of these people.

Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by Broken_Hippo on Saturday January 26, 2019 @03:51AM (#19005519)
That's just the thing - you can't tell how blatant they are without knowing the situation. You can merely look and think, "They can walk just fine.."

But you can't see that the person gets fatigued and suddenly can't walk very far. (And we are talking about fatigue that makes folks nearly pass out, not just mere tiredness) Or they have a history of numbness and trouble walking and keep a cane at their desk for this reason.

Like others have said, you cannot tell from the outside. This isn't freaking "entitlement". If you want to hate American culture, there are plenty of other areas to do this that doesn't make one crap on sick folks. I'd suggest focusing on letting folks go without health care or letting folks starve, but there are plenty of other choices.

Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by improbable22 on Saturday January 26, 2019 @05:25AM (#19005718)
I think this whole back-and-forth points out that having to give those who need it some special token/permit/allowance necessarily politicises the issue.

The nicest accommodations are those you don't even have to ask for.

While I want able-bodied people to take the stairs, I think it's great when we can afford enough elevators that nobody cares. The situation where they are rationed, whether by needing a special key or just by a sign & dirty looks, is always less pleasant. But when it comes to cities and transport, this is genuinely hard, as cities with so much parking that it's free for everyone are radically different to mostly non-car cities.