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Re:Toyota Finally Has the Power in Electric Cars by ed_balls on Friday January 25, 2019 @11:49AM (#18999742)
Why wouldn't you buy plugin hybrid Prius then? It cost 30k, range is not an issue and I wouldn't be surprised if your total Co2 would be similar to Tesla model 3 (it varies by location and how much you drive, but creating the battery produces a lot of Co2)
Re:Toyota Finally Has the Power in Electric Cars by ajford on Friday January 25, 2019 @05:09PM (#19003028)
The PHEV Prii have such a paltry range. Even the newest models have ~30mi IIRC. If you happen to have a very short commute, or very little traffic, they might be a good fit, but I feel like you really need to be in the 50-60mi electric range to make much sense.
Re:Toyota Finally Has the Power in Electric Cars by danw1979 on Saturday January 26, 2019 @01:50AM (#19005200)
I just bought a 2013 PiP and knew the EV range was < 10 miles.

What I like about it is:

- on my 65 mile round trip commute I get a +10mpg increase if I leave home with a full charge and without charging at work.

- I get the lovely EV driving experience for the 4 miles in and out of the city I work in.

- I'm not contributing to poor urban air quality.

- Its fully charged with 10 miles in 90 minutes. At weekends I frequently find that I make more than 30 miles of all-EV journeys around my home town.

Re:Toyota Finally Has the Power in Electric Cars by lukeschlather on Friday January 25, 2019 @12:01PM (#18999867)
Personally, I don't commute by car, so really a majority of the miles I drive would probably be all-gasoline given the plug-in's meager 12 miles of electric range. So a used Prius is far cheaper and also more efficient for me.
Re:Toyota Finally Has the Power in Electric Cars by timbit42 on Saturday January 26, 2019 @10:41AM (#19006714)
A Prius isn't very efficient for about the first 5 minutes of a trip. I believe this has to do with the engine warming up. I live in a small town so most of my trips are under 5 minutes. I get much better fuel economy on the highway.
Re:Toyota Finally Has the Power in Electric Cars by ed_balls on Friday January 25, 2019 @12:39PM (#19000281)
You can do 30 miles all electric in a new Prius (with a solar panel on roof). If you drive very little renting a car could make more sense.