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Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by diminish on Friday January 25, 2019 @09:22AM (#18998046)
How is George Soros perceived in USA and West Europe? Any comments?
Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by Wohlf on Friday January 25, 2019 @09:28AM (#18998107)
He's the boogeyman for people on the right, much like the Koch brothers are the boogeymen for the left, at least in the USA.
Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by bitxbitxbitcoin on Friday January 25, 2019 @11:50AM (#18999754)
That's a fair assessment whether you're on the right or left!
Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by gadders on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:37AM (#18998811)
Yeah, I think your view of Soros depends on your view of his policy positions.
Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by _red on Friday January 25, 2019 @09:32AM (#18998143)
He's an adherent to Poppers philosophies, but he doesn't seem to acknowledge the inherent contradictions posed: "We must be intolerant of intolerance to have a tolerant society".

Furthermore, he is a heart a trader, so people are skeptical of his motives. You can make lots of money in the process of destabilizing a society.

Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by carlsborg on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:03AM (#18998497)
Hi is perceived as a defender of democratic systems who has seen fascism - and the war that inevitably follows it - at its worst. He has donated the bulk of his fortune to a foundation that follows this philosophy.
Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by ceejayoz on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:46AM (#18998917)
By some. By others, the polar opposite.
Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by ghtrytttttnsa on Friday January 25, 2019 @02:40PM (#19001663)
He has literally made a lot of money in chaotic situations, and sometimes even orchestrated the chaos himself. He has spent billions to make people believe that he is actually a good human and some are buying his bluff.
Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by hackerman12345 on Friday January 25, 2019 @09:39AM (#18998205)
Sheryl Sandberg recently got in big trouble for having investigators look into whether he shorted $FB before going up on a public platform to talk about $FB ethical issues.
Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by duxup on Friday January 25, 2019 @09:55AM (#18998393)
Facebook didn't just investigate... they hired a PR firm to tie Facebook critics to Soros and anti Soros stuff....

Investigate is one thing but they went way farther than that.

Also liked to put out lots of other news critical about other tech companies anytime there was a snowball of bad Facebook news.

Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by sonnyblarney on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:21AM (#18998670)
" they hired a PR firm to tie Facebook critics to Soros and anti Soros stuff...."

Yes, but what if it's true?

Soros funds many, highly targeted political activities.

It wouldn't be right if people were perpetuating falsehoods about him ... but if he's actively campaigning or supporting an initiative with major $$$, then it's fine if people are informed of that.

Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by ceejayoz on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:42AM (#18998870)
> Yes, but what if it's true?

Shorting a company and making public statements bashing it is both legal and common, so the answer there is "uh... nothing?"

Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by sonnyblarney on Saturday January 26, 2019 @01:58PM (#19007768)
Shorting a stock, and then making big, loud, public moral assertions about the company is totally unscrupulous, obviously, because it undermines the 'moral argument' being made.

If that is in fact what is happening then FB has double duty to call it out.

If Soros has actually done that (I don't know that he did), i.e. take a huge position one day and then come out raging the next, it undermines his credibility entirely - he's effectively 'talking his book' and has a huge conflict of interest.

This is why Private Wealth managers are not supposed to hustle the stocks of the companies their firm's Investment Bankers are advising - it's a conflict of interest. That is actually illegal for example.

Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by ceejayoz on Sunday January 27, 2019 @04:21PM (#19013857)
> Shorting a stock, and then making big, loud, public moral assertions about the company is totally unscrupulous, obviously, because it undermines the 'moral argument' being made.

Only if those assertions are untrue, I'd say.

> This is why Private Wealth managers are not supposed to hustle the stocks of the companies their firm's Investment Bankers are advising - it's a conflict of interest. That is actually illegal for example.

They have a fiduciary duty, don't they? Soros doesn't have one.

Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by dragonwriter on Sunday January 27, 2019 @04:41PM (#19013956)
> They have a fiduciary duty, don't they?

Not necessarily.

Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by duxup on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:23AM (#18998697)
>Yes, but what if it's true?

Well then maybe they should prove it?

I don't get the question, do you think the critics of Facebook critics are all tied to Soros or something?

You could say "What if it's true" about anything... that doesn't mean anything.

Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by sonnyblarney on Friday January 25, 2019 @11:18AM (#18999337)
"do you think the critics of Facebook critics are all tied to Soros"

No, I didn't even suggest that.

But if Soros is actively funding FB criticism or litigation, then exposing that is definitely fair game.

Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by duxup on Friday January 25, 2019 @11:29AM (#18999497)
What is fair game? And why? Just because you said it might be true? But then deny you're saying it is true?

I'm not following.

It seems your idea of what is 'fair game' or what happened and what Facebook's hired PR firm actually did are totally disconnected...

Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by sonnyblarney on Friday January 25, 2019 @02:18PM (#19001400)
It's 'fair game' to expose who is funding which political or public activities, because it would be the truth.

Were it done by a journalist, it would be called 'journalism', for example.

Soros is funding individuals behind the group 'Freedom from Facebook' - it's perfectly reasonable for Facebook to highlight that fact.

Now I don't know all the details behind the game, but exposing the financial agents of those attacking you (or anyone else) is perfectly reasonable.

Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by duxup on Saturday January 26, 2019 @01:19PM (#19007539)
Honestly your own posts seem like a disinformation campaign.

Vague phrases like 'fair game' and 'what if its true' and lies like 'they're not allowed to prove it' seem to legitimize anything Facebook did without actually talking about WHAT they did and then you drop truthy goalpost moving tidbits here or there about related... and yet not entirely on point as to Facebook's actual actions.

Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by hackerman12345 on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:41AM (#18998864)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/29/technology/george-soros-f...

They're not allowed to prove it. It's a scandal that they are even asking the question - someone was fired for it.

Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by duxup on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:52AM (#18998959)
>They're not allowed to prove it

I'm not sure what that means. Facebook can surely say "hey the PR firm we hired told the truth and here it is", but as far as I know they've chosen not to.

Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by jyriand on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:44AM (#18998893)
Not sure I understand. Why can’t he short a stock and then talk about how bad the company is? Isn’t that the whole premise of short selling?
Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by ceejayoz on Friday January 25, 2019 @09:26AM (#18998087)
Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by ghtrytttttnsa on Friday January 25, 2019 @02:50PM (#19001785)
It's certainly true that powerless people don't talk in Davos, and the globalist ideas of Soros are not a secret. Nothing more is really needed to despise him and the rest of the global elite. Speaking against China is nice, but president Trump is one of the pioneers in this category and he was hated for it (chinese money can buy a lot of media influence).
Re:Soros at Davos: China's social credit system and Big IT a... by olivermarks on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:26AM (#18998718)
if you have 14 minutes this US MSM 60 minutes spot from 1996 is a good representation of the mistrust a lot of the centre and particularly the right have about Soros https://youtu.be/QSyczwuTQfo Since then he is synonymous amongst nationalists with open borders and supposedly funding them