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Re:Twitter migrates data to Google Cloud by manigandham on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @07:22AM (#18977605)
GCP has the fastest, simplest, and cheapest primitives for building. Organization and project hierarchy combined with IAM permissions (integrated with G Suite if you use it) make security and access easy. Every project has its own namespace and can be transferred to different owners or billed separately.

VMs don't have a mess of instance types, just standard but customizable cpu/ram with any disks and local SSDs attached. Live-migrated, billed to the second, and automatically grouped per cpu/ram increments for billing discounts.

Networking is 2gbps/core upto 16gpbs/instance with low latency and high throughput regardless of zone and doesn't need placement groups. VPCs are globally connected and can be peered and shared easily across projects so that it's maintained in one place across multiple teams. Fast global load balancing with a single IP across many protocols and immediate scaling.

Storage is fast with uncapped bandwidth and has strongly consistent listings. BigQuery, BigTable and lots of other services have "no-ops" so there's no overhead other than getting your work done. Support is also flat rate and not a ripoff percentage.

The major downsides to GCP are the lack of managed services, limited and outdated versions for what they do offer, poor documentation and broken SDKs, and dealing with the opinionated approach of their core in-house products. This usually means as a startup that you are more productive on AWS or Azure because you can get going in a few clicks with a vast ecosystem, while GCP is a better home for larger companies that have everything built and just need strong core offerings with operational simplicity.

Re:Twitter migrates data to Google Cloud by lnkmails on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @12:05PM (#18980058)
Your reasoning and the conclusion resonates a lot with my own findings for a project that we tried to bootstrap. GCP's GKE and Istio integration are becoming more compelling to consider them for containerized workloads. EKS isn't quite there. One of the things we are struggling with is finding a qualified partner who can help us build our new project on GCP. We don't have a mature infrastructure team and while we try to bootstrap one, we would like to rely on partners to help us move the needle. Even partners in GCP premier list don't have case studies of migrating monoliths to GCP. Most of them talk about GSuite migration which isn't quite the same. AWS wins this battle. They have far more mature partners with better track record and thought leadership. I wonder if you see this the same way. Maybe partnership is not crucial for you? Some insights from the community would help.
Re:Twitter migrates data to Google Cloud by manigandham on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @02:51PM (#18982037)
Yes. AWS biggest advantage now is the giant marketplace of vendors and partners so you can get help and managed services for just about anything.

In my experience, most startups just want managed options they can run themselves rather than engaging partners but if that's what you need then AWS will have more companies to offer, although GCP does have qualified partners. I recommend contacting one of the GCP developer advocates either in this thread or on twitter for help, or email me separately and I'll put you in touch.

Also I havent worked with them but https://shinesolutions.com/ has put out plenty of articles and case studies that seems to show they're pretty capable, that might work for you.

Re:Twitter migrates data to Google Cloud by vira28 on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @05:39PM (#18983932)
Just curious, Which support tier you are using from GCP?

For an early stage startup/Indie developer, GCP support model is not appeasing. $100 Per user for development role is unacceptable. (at least to us, the stage where we are now)

Re:Twitter migrates data to Google Cloud by manigandham on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @07:57PM (#18985003)
We use the production roles but you don't have to signup every single person, just those who file tickets and interact with support.

If you're very early then you can also try the older support pricing: https://cloud.google.com/support/premium/

If that's still too expensive then you can probably rely on the free support and forums until you have more spend and revenue.

Re:Twitter migrates data to Google Cloud by boulos on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @04:38PM (#18983315)
Depending where you're based, there are some very good partners that can help here. It really depends on what level of cooperation you're looking for from "here, you do it" to "just give us guidance along the way".

https://cloud.google.com/solutions/migration-center/ is a reasonable jumping off point. Sorry if that didn't come up more clearly.

Re:Twitter migrates data to Google Cloud by lnkmails on Monday January 28, 2019 @10:55AM (#19018406)
We have talked to Velostrata and some other GCP partners. It's hard to assess their usefulness. Unfortunately, they don't have much of open source credibility. Picking by case studies seems like picking out a car by reading advertising material.
Re:Twitter migrates data to Google Cloud by ed_elliott_asc on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @02:58PM (#18982125)
I did some perf testing of van’s across azure, gcp and aws.

Gcp was always exactly the same perf, on the button exactly.

Azure was all over the place, fast then slow then fast then slow.

Aws was in the middle.

If you want guaranteed perf then go with gcp 100%

Re:Twitter migrates data to Google Cloud by CreepGin on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @01:45PM (#18981237)
> The major downsides to GCP are the lack of managed services, limited and outdated versions for what they do offer, poor documentation and broken SDKs, and dealing with the opinionated approach of their core in-house products. This usually means as a startup that you are more productive on AWS or Azure because you can get going in a few clicks with a vast ecosystem, while GCP is a better home for larger companies that have everything built and just need strong core offerings with operational simplicity.

That is spot on. After a year of research and testing on GCP and AWS, I concluded with the same thing. AWS is much more startup/indie-friendly.

Re:Twitter migrates data to Google Cloud by crankylinuxuser on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @09:42AM (#18978470)
Our blocker in using GCP is that they do not offer a managed Oracle Database. AWS does with RDS.

We hate Oracle like the next person, but we're locked in. And there's no way we're going to the "Oracle Cloud"

Re:Twitter migrates data to Google Cloud by manigandham on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @10:32AM (#18978988)
That's more on Oracle than Google, and probably unlikely to ever happen at this point. They've already increased licensing costs to make it more expensive to run in other clouds.
Re:Twitter migrates data to Google Cloud by CobrastanJorji on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @02:12PM (#18981566)
You know, that's kind of weird. You'd think they'd be really worried about the general trend and would be introducing smaller, cheaper versions of cloud Oracle. Are they just that convinced that people will stick with Oracle? I wonder what makes them think that. I'm not familiar enough with Oracle to take a guess.
Re:Twitter migrates data to Google Cloud by dijit on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @10:13AM (#18978763)
What about running oracle on a google instance with a regional disk? Sure, it's not as sexy as a managed service but functionally it would be very similar.
Re:Twitter migrates data to Google Cloud by ticmasta on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @10:56AM (#18979273)
Not only is it not sexy, it's probably the most work. You're now administering the server, storage & the database; you're the DBA for your Oracle instance and databases; Oracle loves to hammer this scenario for licensing (they'd rather you pay for their "cloud") and paying a premium for the underlying hardware that needs to managed remotely.

I can understand why this is a no-go for the GP.

Re:Twitter migrates data to Google Cloud by dijit on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @11:46AM (#18979853)
Yeah, I understand it too; We're currently being squeezed by MS licensing in GCP (but it's basically free in Azure!).

This is the cost of lock-in.

Personally I'd rather have the expertise on staff than pay oracle (and microsoft) for this shitty behaviour.

Re:Twitter migrates data to Google Cloud by zjaffee on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @01:25PM (#18980984)
What are you talking about, google support is absolutely "some rip off percentage". If you are saying it isn't you clearly aren't working with it at any sort of scale.

Edit: I'm being downvoted but it's true, if you need enterprise support you're paying the same percentages you would on any other cloud service.

Re:Twitter migrates data to Google Cloud by manigandham on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @03:18PM (#18982388)
https://cloud.google.com/support/#support-options

The role-based support is flat-rate but you're right that the Enterprise tier is $15k or percentage spend. From my experience, most companies are fine with the 1-hour production tier.

I haven't worked with GCP beyond 6 figure scale but I dont think that matters. If you need the 15-min response times and the TAM guidance then that's the fee but at least you can opt-out if you don't.