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Re:It is time to leave the Facebook universe by soziawa on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @03:42AM (#18976685)
None of the messengers he listed come close to WhatsApp. Telegram might be ok, but doesn't have e2e encryption.

Threema is what comes closest imo.

Re:It is time to leave the Facebook universe by gyaniv on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @06:46AM (#18977456)
What about Signal? has e2e encryption, group messaging and is practically completely open source.

I personally really want to quit all the Facebook apps (because of the reasons mentioned), but I just feel that there is too much communication I need in it's messaging apps to leave (family, friends, work chats) that leaving them would be problematic.

What I really want is a messaging app that can still receive and communicate messages from the "bad" apps, but by default uses its better way, so that as people migrate to it, you can communicate with them using the app, but still be able to receive (and send) messages using for example WhatsApp for people that haven't changed apps yet.

Re:It is time to leave the Facebook universe by cjmoran on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @04:06AM (#18976804)
I've been looking into telegram alternatives for a while. The best one I've found is the Matrix protocol (https://matrix.org), which is sort of like a cross between telegram and slack but it's open-source and you can self-host it. There are several app/webapp clients that you can use with your server, like https://riot.im.

It's got end-to-end encryption by default (although you need to manually enable it in some clients like Riot), Riot's mobile app works well, and supports audio and video calling through your server.

Re:It is time to leave the Facebook universe by beagle3 on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @05:39AM (#18977176)
Last I checked, you couldn't get notifications on iOS running through your own server - that's sort-of-inherent in how iOS notifications work, of course, but that makes the self-hosting feature unusable for a lot of users.
Re:It is time to leave the Facebook universe by cjmoran on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @01:30PM (#18981048)
I get notifications with the Riot iOS app. I did take a little extra time to set up my toy matrix server with LetsEncrypt certificates, not sure if that makes a difference.
Re:It is time to leave the Facebook universe by rickdg on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @04:45AM (#18976960)
Nowadays, you have to assume that people's expectations of a messaging app include, for example, managing tons of uploaded videos.
Re:It is time to leave the Facebook universe by sgt on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @06:11AM (#18977301)
I use iMessage primarily, it has end-to-end encryption and your messages are stored in iCloud. It also integrates wonderfully well with your Mac.

I'm still logged into WhatsApp though, to keep in touch with the ones using Android, but I've switched notifications off so I just go into check as if I'm checking my email.

I wanted to check out Telegram as a WhatsApp replacement but very few people seems to be using it.

Re:It is time to leave the Facebook universe by V-2 on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @04:53AM (#18976987)
Telegram's source code is such a big ball of spaghetti I would feel really sceptical about its reliability (without, admittedly, having used it).
Re:It is time to leave the Facebook universe by jqt on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @05:46AM (#18977201)
Which source code? Because the server is closed source, and there are several clients...
Re:It is time to leave the Facebook universe by V-2 on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @05:59AM (#18977251)
Eg. see the web app repo:

https://github.com/TelegramOrg/Telegram-web/blob/master/app/...

I pity the maintainers.