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Re:Are We in the Middle of a Programming Bubble? by titanomachy on Monday January 21, 2019 @12:35PM (#18961927)
I've worked with good people at every company I've been at... but the nice thing about being at a top company is I never have to deal with totally incompetent or helpless people. Nothing frustrates me more than having my job responsibilities include training someone with no initiative.

The selection process seems to do a good job of keeping out the lowest tier at least, although we openly acknowledge that we miss a lot of good people as well.

Re:Are We in the Middle of a Programming Bubble? by mgkimsal on Monday January 21, 2019 @12:52PM (#18962046)
> Nothing frustrates me more than having my job responsibilities include training someone with no initiative.

Years ago, I worked someplace where a colleague was tasked with working with another developer on project X. After about 15 minutes it was clear the other developer ... wasn't? A web project, and this person had been employed as a "web developer" for at least several months. Questions like "how does this information in this browser get back to the server?" came up.

Colleague goes to manager and says "I can hit the project deadline, or I can make sure other_dev learns the basics enough to be able to contribute and understand projectX, but I can't do both by the deadline. Can we move the deadline back a few weeks?"

No, and no. Train other_dev and hit deadline.

Deadline was hit, other_dev moved to another project afterwards, and was pretty much as ineffective as before, but colleague was then saddled with this reputation of being a 'bad mentor' because the next team learned other_dev didn't know how things worked. Why the hiring manager wasn't tarnished... who knows?

Re:Are We in the Middle of a Programming Bubble? by hello_moto on Monday January 21, 2019 @03:03PM (#18963141)
Sadly reputation comes from result.

He was given 2 tasks and he only delivers one result.

I know this sounds... not ideal... but it is what it is.

His manager probably has to operate at the same level of expectation: given 3 tasks by his manager (or director), either you finish all 3 or you're less dependable.

Re:Are We in the Middle of a Programming Bubble? by trinkwallopy on Monday January 21, 2019 @06:31PM (#18964638)
That just sounds like a place that doesn’t have smart people. He was done a favor because it forced him to move on to somewhere better
Re:Are We in the Middle of a Programming Bubble? by mgkimsal on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @09:53PM (#18975247)
Isn't the hiring manager tasked with "hire someone with basic competence"? And they failed? But their reputation/credentials don't get called in to question?