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Re:Kubernetes Failure Stories by threeseed on Sunday January 20, 2019 @03:58PM (#18955545)
> leaving no option but to move somewhere else

Many of the major infrastructure/platform vendors are rolling out their own distribution of Kubernetes either as a cloud service e.g AWS, Azure, GCP or on premise e.g. RedHat.

So I suspect they are going to try and differentiate on features and ease of use and make it as hard as possible to move anywhere else.

Re:Kubernetes Failure Stories by cookiecaper on Sunday January 20, 2019 @06:41PM (#18956342)
k8s is meant to be hard to use. You're supposed to rent space on a k8s cluster from Google. Google has been pumping millions into marketing k8s as a mechanism to improve GCP adoption and establish a foothold in the cloud provider space.
Re:Kubernetes Failure Stories by dlor on Sunday January 20, 2019 @09:16PM (#18957085)
I'm not exactly sure what point you're trying to make here. k8s is not meant to be a paas, but no one is trying to make k8s harder to use.

I work at Google on a large team of engineers dedicated to making it as easy as possible to use.

Re:Kubernetes Failure Stories by cookiecaper on Monday January 21, 2019 @02:00AM (#18958268)
[Disclaimer: this is pure conjecture and represents my opinion only; I'm a Google outsider.]

For a while, "AWS" and "the cloud" were practical synonyms; it was very rare that anyone meant not-AWS. In my opinion, Kubernetes is a major piece of Google's strategy to turn that tide and improve their marketshare.

Does throwing "a large team of engineers" at a problem typically result in something that's "as easy as possible to use"? "Design-by-committee" is not a term of endearment.

A sibling comment at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18958077 notes that "there are a ton of nicer UIs for Kubernetes", but that they're sold separately as proprietary PaaS platforms. Even if we pretend like GCP/GKE isn't one of them, Kubernetes-The-Platform will be impacted by the interests of its primary vendors and advocates, whether or not certain teams at Google are keen to admit that.

Re:Kubernetes Failure Stories by geggam on Monday January 21, 2019 @10:34AM (#18960996)
The fact it takes a team of highly skilled engineers from the top of the talent pool trying to make it easy should tell you perhaps the design is wrong ?
Re:Kubernetes Failure Stories by ecnahc515 on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @12:26PM (#18970121)
Or that to run a secured, highly available platform with the type of features k8s provides is non-trivial beyond basics.
Re:Kubernetes Failure Stories by Aeolun on Monday January 21, 2019 @12:47AM (#18957953)
What would make it easy is a good non-gcp GUI
Re:Kubernetes Failure Stories by hjacobs on Monday January 21, 2019 @01:17AM (#18958077)
I agree, some better UI for end users would be awesome: Kubernetes Dashboard kind of works, but is pretty limited and more a "kubectl in the browser". There are a ton of nicer UIs for Kubernetes, but they are all part of the value-add of proprietary platforms AFAIK (think about all the managed K8s offerings out there).