News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Son, as soon as someone puts their hands on you... by hasenj on Thursday November 11, 2010 @04:32PM (#1895350)
What's all this talk about "their level"?

"Hurting someone hurts yourself", bullshit. Revenge is sweet. Defending yourself is not a weakness or immoral, it's rather noble.

If you go with the "laugh at them" technique, they will still go around bullying other kids.

But, stand up and fight them, and they learn a lesson that bullying has some serious consequences. You also set an example to other bullies and other kids being bullied.

Re:Son, as soon as someone puts their hands on you... by masklinn on Thursday November 11, 2010 @05:12PM (#1895519)
> But, stand up and fight them, and they learn a lesson that bullying has some serious consequences.

No. They'll just learn that bullying you has serious consequences, and that they should find an other target.

Re:Son, as soon as someone puts their hands on you... by sixtofour on Friday November 12, 2010 @01:44AM (#1896780)
> But, stand up and fight them, and they learn a lesson that bullying has some serious consequences.

"An armed society is a polite society." -- RAH

Where "armed" just means where people are willing and able to defend themselves.

Re:Son, as soon as someone puts their hands on you... by Tamerlin on Friday November 12, 2010 @04:37PM (#1899380)
"Hurting someone hurts yourself", bullshit. Revenge is sweet.

Revenge has nothing to do with self-defense.

Re:Son, as soon as someone puts their hands on you... by ahoyhere on Thursday November 11, 2010 @04:38PM (#1895384)
Unlike probably most people here on HN, I have done real violence to someone else. Over and over, in fact. I had the cops called on me and I've had to live with the consequences. And I don't mean legal consequences.

Beating up on other people kills you inside, slowly, because it shows you exactly what kind of person you are.

It doesn't matter if you're "standing up" to some other kid. Violence is violence.

I'm not saying violence is never required, but if you're resorting to violence when a smile and a chuckle will do, you're weak -- you don't have enough willpower to control yourself, or brains to think up an alternative.

Re:Son, as soon as someone puts their hands on you... by jerf on Thursday November 11, 2010 @05:11PM (#1895513)
Yeah, and being bullied kills you inside too, only quickly and with much more duration.

If I could go back and do it all again there'd be two or three more swung fists. Probably no more than that, either, because that's all it would take.

In fact I think this debate would be really different if defending yourself against being bullied actually required sustained violence, but instead rather we're in a world where I can ask "How many people have killed themselves that could have been saved by them instead swinging their fists once?" and get a number probably at least in the thousands.

This isn't just a philosophy debating match; children are dying over this, and a lot more are getting badly hurt.

Re:Son, as soon as someone puts their hands on you... by ahoyhere on Friday November 12, 2010 @07:55PM (#1899881)
My mother used to beat me, until I was big enough to fight back, which I did. Guess which hurt me more?

Her abuse of me doesn't weigh on me nearly as much as mine of her, because in the latter I had a choice. So there you go.

Re:Son, as soon as someone puts their hands on you... by jerf on Saturday November 13, 2010 @12:41AM (#1900413)
We're not talking about parental or family abuse here. This is bullying, which is not the same thing. Being less bad, it admits of different solutions.
Re:Son, as soon as someone puts their hands on you... by hasenj on Thursday November 11, 2010 @04:42PM (#1895396)
> Beating up on other people kills you inside, slowly, because it shows you exactly what kind of person you are.

I disagree. What kills you inside slowly, is all the authority figures telling you what a horrible person you are for defending yourself.

I mean, by all means if you live in a place where the cops will actually do something if someone hurts, just call the cops. But you have to remember that the world doesn't consist entirely of north america.

Re:Son, as soon as someone puts their hands on you... by mcantelon on Thursday November 11, 2010 @05:03PM (#1895475)
>It doesn't matter if you're "standing up" to some other kid. Violence is violence.

Self-defense and unprovoked violence are two entirely different things. The law recognizes this and so do most sentient beings.

Re:Son, as soon as someone puts their hands on you... by jacoblyles on Thursday November 11, 2010 @05:34PM (#1895607)
>"Thee law recognizes this and so do most sentient beings."

Sadly, this does not include most school administrators.

Re:Son, as soon as someone puts their hands on you... by pjscott on Thursday November 11, 2010 @07:37PM (#1896020)
It would be inconvenient for them to recognize the difference between provoked and unprovoked violence. The grand unifying theory of bad school administrators can be summed up in one word: indifference. (Not malice, as many assume. They genuinely don't care who started a fight.)

Obviously, this doesn't apply to every single administrator. #include <std_disclaimer.h>

Re:Son, as soon as someone puts their hands on you... by tomjen3 on Thursday November 11, 2010 @06:05PM (#1895732)
He said sentient beings.