Say yes and then if the salary is too low say this is not what you said yes to. Then tell them the salary you agreed to accept.

Really any company that is this stupid you probably don't want to work for unless you are overpaid.

No salary talk means there is no offer. So there is nothing for you to commit to.

This is a huge red flag - stay away, especially if they insist on this after you've explained that you want to discuss salary first.

I had this happen to me once when working with a recruiter. They said the company wouldn't make me an offer unless I agreed to accept it. I didn't end up discussing things further with them as it seemed like a juvenile way of conducting business.

I wouldn't worry about it this sort of nonsense. Just tell them yes, sure. Then tell them no, you changed your mind after you thought about it overnight and need another 30k.

You shouldn't bargain with people who are willing to screw you over this blatantly. You don't know if you can trust what they say or their motives.

And a signing bonus.

This is a huge red flag. Say no & tell them you are saying no because they are not negotiating professionally or in good faith.

I can't think of a single reason why this would be in the best interest of the company.

In the best case, the offer is what you were expecting or better. You would have taken it if they had disclosed it up front too so they aren't any better off.

In the worst case, it is lower than you would have accepted. In this case, you could back out of the deal or accept it and start looking for a new job immediately. Both of these will just waste the company's time and money.

Are you working with an external recruiter by any chance? They do stand to gain from strong-arming you into accepting an offer. If this is the case I would try to contact the hiring manager and ask them about this policy.

Your answer should be a firm no.

If you ever read an offer letter they are non binding and most states are at will so I don't think a verbal commitment means anything. However how are you suppose to agree to terms of an agreement you don't know.

Also is this company in the US because I don't think any lawyer would approve of this.

They are trying to screw you over.

Ask them "Would you agree to a car loan before you learn the terms of the loan?"

Why don't you ask them why they do this? It's a very good question.

Tell them you want a verbal offer before you reveal how many hours you are going to work

Are they asking:

"If we offer you this position and you like our offer, are you going to accept it?"

If so, that does not seem unreasonable to me.

Perhaps they have been burned by tire kickers in the past who were only looking for a way to increase their current salary with a competitive offer with no intention of ever taking the position.

That's amateurish stuff. Just make the damn offer. Then they respond. Simple. Folks making this too complicated.

They got the idea from one of those assassin contract killer movies.

That's a red flag, I suggest staying away from that company.

Interview with other companies.

Chump.