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Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by squirrelicus on Saturday January 19, 2019 @02:07AM (#18945751)
> decline in world-wide health

Wat. Data please.

Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by FranzFerdiNaN on Saturday January 19, 2019 @02:46AM (#18945877)
Every nation that switches to a western (American) diet gets fat.
Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by Udik on Saturday January 19, 2019 @03:58AM (#18946080)
American, maybe. Western, really?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bigthink.com/two-maps-and-one-g...

It seems that obesity in Europe affects 1/4 to 1/5, while in the US is 1/3. The EU country with highest incidence of obesity is alse the one that is famous for its lack of a (decent) food culture, the UK.

As an Italian, I find it hard to convince myself that US obesity problems have one single cause to blame, sugar, rather than a food culture that is generally bent towards the childishly fancy: grilled meat, fried stuff, overwhelming sauces, the super-fatty, the uber-sugary, no vegetables and very little home cooking.

Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by stareatgoats on Saturday January 19, 2019 @04:40AM (#18946180)
American food culture suffers from the same problem that afflicts the American culture in general: the infatuation with big: big cars, big army, big dicks, big coffee-mugs, big tits. And big soft-drinks.

No surprise they have an obesity problem. Of course Americans are also usually nice people in a big way, let's not forget.

Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by TeMPOraL on Saturday January 19, 2019 @06:54AM (#18946550)
> big cars, big army, big dicks, big coffee-mugs, big tits. And big soft-drinks.

One of these things is not like the others...

Buying big soft drink bottles instead of small is both cost-effective (as they're usually cheaper per liter) and a plastic saving measure.

(What I particularly dislike about modern consumerism is the infatuation with small: small bags of chips, small bags of fruits, individually-packaged sausages, small bottles of drinks, small bottles/bags of cosmetics, etc. Combined with disposability of packaging, it's just a huge generator of plastic waste.)

Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by jkaplowitz on Saturday January 19, 2019 @07:34AM (#18946717)
I like small for consumption on the go, such as waiting for a train or bus, without wasting food/drink or overeating ... But I do agree with you about plastic waste. I'd prefer some other packaging solution, such as if a snack vending machine could sanitarily transfer the contents of a bag of chips to my own reusable, washable, foldable (when empty) snack bag. No, I don't have a good practical answer right now.
Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by wool_gather on Saturday January 19, 2019 @12:13PM (#18947939)
Not a bad idea. Nobody seems to have a problem with the coffee bean dispensing bins at the grocery store, so maybe this isn't that far out.
Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by williamdclt on Saturday January 19, 2019 @07:14AM (#18946638)
I think the person you're answering to is talking about big cup of soft-drink, rather than big bottle. As in, big portions, not big stock.

Edit: I agree with your complaint about packaging, but it's another problem that's not uncompatible

Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by Reason077 on Saturday January 19, 2019 @07:32AM (#18946711)
> "Buying big soft drink bottles instead of small is both cost-effective"

True, but bigger serving sizes have been shown to increase consumption. If you reduce soft-drink serving sizes from 500ml to 350ml, for example, most people will not purchase two - and will consume less overall.

Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by babuskov on Saturday January 19, 2019 @07:15AM (#18946640)
> Buying big soft drink bottles instead of small is both cost-effective

Carbonated drinks fizzle out quickly and they don't taste that good afterwards. So, if you buy bigger bottles, you are inclined to drink more so it doesn't go to waste.

Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by jononor on Saturday January 19, 2019 @09:28AM (#18947201)
Not buying soft drinks is much better, both cost efficiency, environmental impact and health.
Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by DoreenMichele on Saturday January 19, 2019 @04:44AM (#18946189)
America also lacks the density of Europe, the public transportation and the generally walkable and bikable built environments. It's probably not merely our lousy diets.
Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by dalore on Saturday January 19, 2019 @07:04AM (#18946595)
Have a read of books by Nina Teicholz or Gary Taubes. In there is a mountain of data showing the correlation of diets to adopting the national dietary recommendation (which vilified fats).

They all make a great case that fat is good for you (proper fat like animal, not vegetables oils which really aren't from vegetables at all).

You're right it's more than just sugar, it's carbs in general. Which includes French fries, pizza etc. The sauces they have tend to be loaded with sugar also.

One can still be healthy eating no vegetables and just meat. Just cut out carbs. And eat lots of organ meats which have high vitamin content (more than vegetables).

Another problem with cutting the fat is that vitamins are fat soluble. So no fat makes it harder to absorb.

Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by chefkoch on Saturday January 19, 2019 @09:49AM (#18947292)
>roper fat like animal, not vegetables oils which really aren't from vegetables at all

Why is the oil not from vegetables?

Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by ericd on Saturday January 19, 2019 @11:34AM (#18947773)
I’m guessing they mean they’re oftentimes from seeds.
Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by Udik on Saturday January 19, 2019 @12:29PM (#18948039)
And seeds are not vegetables?
Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by dalore on Monday January 21, 2019 @10:11AM (#18960851)
Vegetables are really usually seed oils like sunflower oil and so aren't vegetables at all really. Although you can get oils from the vegetable part of the plant. They are called vegetable oils though and not seed oils as a marketing ploy to help sell them. To make them it involves an extreme process which leaves them volatile and so when cooked transform into so many strange and potentially damaging components.

Hence you would rather use more stable animal oils like fat or oil from process that aren't so extreme like olive oil, avocado oil, coconut oil etc.

Calling them vegetable oils is a misnomer to help sell them. I bet just like in the original article, and just like transfats, it will come to light that these mass selling "vegetable" oils are also damaging. It took 90 years for them to admit transfats were bad and now replaced animal fats with vegetables oils.

Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by ericd on Saturday January 19, 2019 @10:46PM (#18950870)
I don’t know, I don’t think most people classify them or nuts as vegetables, but I don’t know whether they are.
Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by inertiatic on Saturday January 19, 2019 @08:31AM (#18946945)
>One can still be healthy eating no vegetables and just meat.

Haha wow. Citation absolutely needed.

Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by dalore on Monday January 21, 2019 @10:18AM (#18960896)
Big community on reddit about it https://www.reddit.com/r/zerocarb
Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by gumbi_nz on Saturday January 19, 2019 @02:53PM (#18948835)
zerocarb
Re:50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame... by Retric on Saturday January 19, 2019 @08:06AM (#18946845)
US life expectancy is dropping. Globally obesity is on the rise. Those things are correlated.