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Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by celestialcheese on Thursday January 17, 2019 @10:39PM (#18936848)
Seriously.

It should have been the easiest decision in the world for them - a persons' dog is more important than most other humans to most dog owners, yet the law treats dogs as nothing more than property. Pay up and grovel to these people. In-action doesn't make these things go away.

EDIT: just read the non-disclosure section. I understand the impulse to do that, but it's a MUCH better gamble to just kill the story with boundless kindness.

Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by Judgmentality on Thursday January 17, 2019 @11:05PM (#18936950)
> a persons' dog is more important than most other humans to most dog owners, yet the law treats dogs as nothing more than property

Something I've always found particularly infuriating is how police dogs are considered officers and often carries a worse punishment than attacking an actual police officer. Not because I am upset that the dogs are being protected, but that the police basically can shoot other people's dogs but nobody can touch their dogs.

Jesus I am just going off on tangents tonight. I need to take a break for a bit.

Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by dsl on Friday January 18, 2019 @12:30AM (#18937236)
Police dogs are not actual officers, as they can not meet the training and oath requirements.

I'm not aware of any laws protecting the dogs specifically other than general animal cruelty laws. But because they are very expensive to train (I know of a bomb dog that cost $30k+) you are facing felony property damage charges if you injure or disable them.

You should take a break.

Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by Judgmentality on Friday January 18, 2019 @12:40AM (#18937264)
So I did some googling and like most things, "it's complicated."

It varies by state, but killing a police dog can put you in jail for 10 years (and this has happened) and that is a federal law. There are some states pursuing stricter measures themselves where killing a canine officer is equivalent to killing a human officer.

As to what I said about killing a police dog having a harsher punishment, that was based on a single anecdote and I meant that the judges serve harsher punishments, not that the laws themselves are stricter.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900010289/senate-approve...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96229&page=1

https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/man-who-killed-pittsburgh-po...

Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by masonic on Friday January 18, 2019 @01:18AM (#18937401)

  and that is a federal law.
There is no such Federal law, as Federal law has no nexus in a local police encounter (unless there is a civil rights element).
Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by ddingus on Friday January 18, 2019 @01:27AM (#18937430)
Or one encounters federal police. DHS is out there and on patrol now.
Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by masonic on Friday January 18, 2019 @01:39AM (#18937467)
There is no such Federal law. Animal cruelty to a dog owned by a Federal agency would be a state statute.
Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by Fezzik on Friday January 18, 2019 @02:12AM (#18937574)
Exactly. The only Federal Law re animals is the Animal Welfare act, which only has to do with research animals. All 50 states have animal cruelty laws.
Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by pdkl95 on Friday January 18, 2019 @02:41AM (#18937664)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1368

18 U.S. Code § 1368 - Harming animals used in law enforcement

(a) Whoever willfully and maliciously harms any police animal, or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be fined under this title and imprisoned not more than 1 year. If the offense permanently disables or disfigures the animal, or causes serious bodily injury to or the death of the animal, the maximum term of imprisonment shall be 10 years.

Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by Fezzik on Friday January 18, 2019 @03:08AM (#18937756)
I love learning from my mistakes! I misread the preamble (for lack of a better word) to the Animal Welfare Act’s Federal website. It says it is the only Federal Law addressing animals... or the research of: https://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/animal-welfare-act
Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by takeda on Friday January 18, 2019 @01:02AM (#18937348)
> It varies by state, but killing a police dog can put you in jail for 10 years (and this has happened) and that is a federal law. There are some states pursuing stricter measures themselves where killing a canine officer is equivalent to killing a human officer.

Killing another person can get you life in prison or capital punishment (depending on state) that's way worse than 10 years.

Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by unethical_ban on Friday January 18, 2019 @03:53AM (#18937973)
There IS a law for 10 years. There ARE some states that make it like killing a human officer. The MAX for killing a person is death penalty.

See where your argument loses some teeth?

Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by ratsoman2 on Friday January 18, 2019 @12:43AM (#18937276)
Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by tapland on Friday January 18, 2019 @02:41AM (#18937662)
I imagine $30k to be cheap for a bomb dog. Service dogs with the bare minimum of tasks (2 + a general training) for people with disabilities go for $15k+ trained.
Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by wutbrodo on Friday January 18, 2019 @12:17AM (#18937209)
> often carries a worse punishment than attacking an actual police officer.

Do you have any source on this? I'd be very surprised to hear that it was true.

Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by baddox on Thursday January 17, 2019 @11:29PM (#18937044)
I’m not aware of any jurisdictions where police dogs are considered officers or where attacking a police dog carries a harsher punishment than attacking a police officer.
Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by berti on Thursday January 17, 2019 @11:28PM (#18937042)
This made me really mad last year: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/108562071/police-shoot-fami...

TL;DR police looking for somebody went to the wrong address, shot the family dog because it "attacked" a police dog (which was "unharmed by the incident"), and casually told the owners on their way out the door that their dog had died.

Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by masonic on Friday January 18, 2019 @01:20AM (#18937408)
In the famous Ruby Ridge incident, a Federal sniper shot the Weaver's dog from long distance... because it barked.
Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by ajmurmann on Friday January 18, 2019 @01:15AM (#18937387)
Well, police training in the US takes on average 19 weeks, whereas in Germany it takes at least 130 weeks (https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_7709638).

It takes 12-14 month to become a cosmetologist...

Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by astura on Friday January 18, 2019 @02:05AM (#18937551)
That event took place in New Zealand, not the US.
Re:My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through... by dylan604 on Friday January 18, 2019 @02:10AM (#18937566)
>yet the law treats dogs as nothing more than property.

Reminded me of a highway sign I saw shortly after crossing California state line. The sign listed fines for 2 offenses: littering and animal abandonment (however it was worded). Littering was a significantly higher amount to the point that the fine for abandoning an animal would be cheaper than doing anything the right way with the animal. Maybe the tack on the littering fine too, but it was still a very striking distinction to me.