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Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by gamblor956 on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @11:37AM (#18912397)
We're talking about a company that spent more than a billion dollars to build an assembly line they discovered after the fact wouldn't work...

It's not safe to say anything about Tesla's capabilities or competencies at this point.

Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by SEJeff on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @11:55AM (#18912556)
UBS hired professionals to tear down a model 3 and they think the raw tech is way ahead of the competition. Read the report yourself: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3wfof8kfw02cbbf/Teardown%206.pdf?d...

Munroe's teardown also had some interesting findings (both good and bad, but that was the goal):

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/04/29/munro-tesla-model-3-tea...

A suspension worthy of formula one was quite a compliment. I'd say there are some things that Tesla does uniquely well. Safety is another one. Remember that time the NTHSA literallyu broke their testing machine when testing the Model S for crash safety? No? Here are some videos:

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/videos/a5238/watch-the...

Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by treis on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @12:28PM (#18912924)
>UBS hired professionals to tear down a model 3 and they think the raw tech is way ahead of the competition. Read the report yourself: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3wfof8kfw02cbbf/Teardown%206.pdf?d....

That reads like an ad paid for by Tesla

Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by Latteland on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @01:01PM (#18913282)
Multiple separate automobile teardown companies have reported the same thing, basically, we don't believe it can be this good then afterwards, wow, this is more sophisticated than they believed anyone would do now. Such as https://electrek.co/2018/07/26/tesla-model-3-teardown-electr...
Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by SEJeff on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @01:23PM (#18913492)
Literally my point! Tesla can't do that! hires professionals to reverse engineer a Tesla Oh , Tesla did that! What shall we do today Pinky?
Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by SEJeff on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @01:24PM (#18913496)
Read the report yourself. It stands on its own.
Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by astrodust on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @01:06PM (#18913330)
There's two parts to engineering: Making something good, and making something you can manufacture inexpensively. These two are in complete contradiction most of the time.

You can "engineer" the hell out of something and still do a terrible job as an engineer. Tesla's infatuation with novel, clever things often gets in the way of shipping. Their fiasco with the model X gull-wing doors is just one example of a billion.

It's easy to make your car better when you can charge vastly more and you've got tons of VC money you can blow through in pursuit of some distant goal. Established car companies have no such luxury.

This is not to say Tesla hasn't had some wins, but on the whole they're losing.

Arguably Tesla is the Juicero of cars.

Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by freehunter on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @01:18PM (#18913457)
>It's easy to make your car better when you can charge vastly more and you've got tons of VC money you can blow through in pursuit of some distant goal. Established car companies have no such luxury.

Isn't that called "disruption" and is the entire reason Silicon Valley exists?

Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by astrodust on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @02:20PM (#18914015)
You can "disrupt" without being in the Valley, plus a lot of companies that claim they're disrupting are just cherry-picking customers and barely moving the needle in terms of net-new technology.

It's easy to make a billion dollar start-up if you get two billion in cash you can blow on acquisitions. It's hard to make that company survive more than ten years.

When Tesla runs out of VC money, which they will, things are going to turn ugly in a hurry. All this money they've blown on door hinges and sending cars into space will be gone and they'll have to turn a profit. I'm not sure they can without massively cutting back and radically simplifying their product.

Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by sametmax on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @11:53AM (#18912545)
Any people in this thread capable of creating revolutionary vehicules, mass building them, and selling them for years, raise your hand.
Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by gamblor956 on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @04:27PM (#18915517)
Toyota and Nissan have their hands raised, and have had their hands raised for decades.

The market for clean vehicles exists because Toyota and Nissan showed there was demand for it. Tesla came in and made better-looking cars (from a distance, they're quite shoddy looking up close), but they're competitively only because Toyota and Nissan have chosen to stick with their distinctive designs rather than put their EV tech into mainstream vehicles.

And Tesla's big problem is that the rest of the industry is finally getting around to putting their EV technologies into mainstream vehicles, almost all of which are better made and far more reliable.

Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by thecanman on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @12:48PM (#18913166)
What does that have to do with what he said about Tesla? Are you going to debate with him or are you going to make another non-contributing comment?
Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by rchaud on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @01:18PM (#18913450)
Rebuttals of the "Oh yeah? Well, what world changing things have YOU done?" variety are common if someone brings up anything remotely negative about Tesla.
Re:Pwn2Own Vancouver 2019: Tesla, VMWare, Microsoft, and more by gamblor956 on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @04:30PM (#18915540)
Well, for myself, I've changed the law in several countries in ways that have greatly improved the lives of the people affected by them.

I feel pretty confident in my right to criticize Tesla for it's presumptive and poorly executed overreach.