Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns
by peterlk on Monday January 14, 2019 @07:28PM
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I think the reason to not use roman numerals is because what Roman numeral would you use for B major. B diminished is IV, but B major is not in the C scale, neither is B minor or B augmented, or B sus2 or Bsus4. It makes sense to write it all normalized to the key of C because songs may borrow chords from other keys in similar ways
Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns
by Geimfari on Monday January 14, 2019 @08:39PM
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You use uppercase Roman numerals to indicate a major chord. So it is then easy to distinguish between vii⁰ and VII and is the standard way in music theory.
Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns
by colechristensen on Monday January 14, 2019 @06:17PM
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The author probably wasn't familiar with how it is normally done with roman numerals
Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns
by peterlk on Monday January 14, 2019 @07:25PM
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This is obviously not true. They use Roman numerals in the article and in follow-on articles
Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns
by stickfigure on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @12:11AM
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...or at least normalize to G like god and Earl intended :-)
Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns
by patrickthebold on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @05:41AM
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One thing that wasn't clear to me: Would a song in A minor have the A minor transposed to C minor? Seems like they gloss over the mood.
Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns
by zorga on Monday January 14, 2019 @08:36PM
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That would only work for songs that always stay in key, many don't. Normalizing to C is a better approach.
Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns
by baddox on Monday January 14, 2019 @10:57PM
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The numbers in Roman numeral analysis are relative to the current key of the song. It works fine for songs that modulate.
Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns
by zorga on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @04:22AM
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Assuming they remain diatonic, much music doesn't.
Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns
by palimpsests on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @11:49AM
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The parent to this comment said
> It works fine for songs that modulate.
By definition, modulation is the act of not remaining diatonic. Modulation = changing keys. Diatonic = staying within key.
So, no, we don't need to assume anything about diatonicity in order to successfully do harmonic analysis using Roman numerals.
Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns
by zorga on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:53PM
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I always thought of diatonic as playing within a harmonized major/minor scale, even if you change keys. What I'm talking about is music that doesn't obey the rules at all, doesn't have a key, doesn't change keys, it's just random chords thrown together because the artist thought they sounded good. Changing to another key is still playing in a key. Many rock musicians wouldn't know a key if it bit them in the ass.
Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns
by baddox on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @04:54AM
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Why do you need that assumption? I think Roman numerals allow for non-diatonic chords like a i diminished.
Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns
by zorga on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:54PM
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Roman numerals still presume you're playing on a harmonized scale in a key; not all music fits that as many rock musicians don't know what a key is and pick chords randomly by sound, not by knowing anything about music theory.
Good call on the guitar tab sites being wrong almost all the time!