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Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns by baddox on Monday January 14, 2019 @10:57PM (#18908765)
The numbers in Roman numeral analysis are relative to the current key of the song. It works fine for songs that modulate.
Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns by zorga on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @04:22AM (#18909867)
Assuming they remain diatonic, much music doesn't.
Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns by palimpsests on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @11:49AM (#18912506)
The parent to this comment said

> It works fine for songs that modulate.

By definition, modulation is the act of not remaining diatonic. Modulation = changing keys. Diatonic = staying within key.

So, no, we don't need to assume anything about diatonicity in order to successfully do harmonic analysis using Roman numerals.

Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns by zorga on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:53PM (#18926876)
I always thought of diatonic as playing within a harmonized major/minor scale, even if you change keys. What I'm talking about is music that doesn't obey the rules at all, doesn't have a key, doesn't change keys, it's just random chords thrown together because the artist thought they sounded good. Changing to another key is still playing in a key. Many rock musicians wouldn't know a key if it bit them in the ass.
Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns by baddox on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @04:54AM (#18909989)
Why do you need that assumption? I think Roman numerals allow for non-diatonic chords like a i diminished.
Re:Analyzing the chords of 1300 popular songs for patterns by zorga on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:54PM (#18926890)
Roman numerals still presume you're playing on a harmonized scale in a key; not all music fits that as many rock musicians don't know what a key is and pick chords randomly by sound, not by knowing anything about music theory.