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Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by pimmen on Thursday January 10, 2019 @09:51AM (#18874198)
And they are more likely to vote than young people. We really have to work to make elderly people more digitally literate and young people more involved in politics, I reckon it will require the removal of multiple barriers (like, oh I don't know, not having the election on a weekday that makes no difference for retired people but all the difference in the world to minimum wage employees living pay check to pay check? And make it harder for ISPs to screw over rural people?).
Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by dplgk on Thursday January 10, 2019 @09:57AM (#18874235)
Is digital literacy the problem? Believing that a prominent politician ran a prostitution ring is a basic reasoning problem. I think we'll have to wait until they die off.
Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by magduf on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:41AM (#18874594)
Until they all die off? Go read about the pizzagate incident. The guy who fired a rifle inside that restaurant was 28 years old. Alex Jones, the lying asshole who runs infowars, is in his mid-40s. The alt-right is full of men in their 20s-40s.

The problem in this particular case isn't old people. If you want to point at one broad demographic, it's men, largely under the age of 50.

Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by bbeonx on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:08AM (#18874321)
Pizza gate is an extreme. But also, yes, news has changed dramatucally over the last couple of decades and older generations maybe don't consume as defensively as younger generations. Over time this can make ridiculous things sound plausible.

I remember there was a trump meme going around where he supposedly said "if I ever ran for president it would be as a republican, they are all a bunch of morons". The first time I saw that it looked sketchy as hell, but both of my folks (intelligent people, mind you) bought it hook, line, and sinker. In general, it's younger people that I saw citing it as a fake while older people shared it. Totally anecdotal, I'll grant you, but I hardly think my experience is unique

Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by beat on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:40AM (#18874587)
I don't think it's that ridiculous things can sound plausible. No, they sound ridiculous. I think it's when the fake news looks like something someone is inclined to believe anyway. In my little bubble, I'm always chiding young, progressive friends for uncritically sharing memes with fake quotes etc that happen to reinforce their political biases.
Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by sonnyblarney on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:03AM (#18874268)
They are taking Dominique Strauss-Kahn down for exactly that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn

Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by pjc50 on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:36AM (#18874551)
Details and priors matter here. He seems to have been involved in the "procuring" middleman role, as was Berlusconi (who largely got away with it until one of the girls was underage).

"Male French or Italian politician involved in sexual misconduct" is well within the range of plausible news; the whole pizzagate thing relied on all sorts of alleged implausible details.

Then there's the UK's "Dolphin Square" controversy, which largely went silent after Lord Ashcroft started threatening people with libel lawsuits and in any case is now buried under Brexit news. I've filed that firmly in the "Don't Know, and maybe impossible to know" category. The public inquiry rumbles on and will no doubt not report until all the accused are safely dead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Inquiry_into_Child...

Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by sonnyblarney on Thursday January 10, 2019 @04:17PM (#18878273)
Of course of course. Context matters. Reality matters!

My point is it's a mess out there, and most people don't have insight into how the world really works, so I usually don't go blaming retirees for passing along false information of the Tabloid kind. It is what it is.

Facebook is not new, it's just now we have digitized banal gossip. I guess the difference now is we can measure it.

Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by akiselev on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:10AM (#18874336)
Did his pizza shoppe actually have a basement, though?
Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by sonnyblarney on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:27AM (#18874484)
Allison Mack, some other prominent actors, and several members of the Bronfman family are going down for running a sex ring. Some of the circumstances are crazy.

It would seem like fake news at first glance surely. It's downright bizarre.

I certainly would have written it off as 'National Enquirer' were it not out of super credible institutions.

Sometimes it's hard to tell what is 'truth' and the major 'credible' news agencies simply don't cover a lot of things.

Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by akiselev on Thursday January 10, 2019 @11:40AM (#18875212)
Oh I don't doubt the depravity of some human beings. The stuff that's public knowledge about the lollita express alone is horrific, basically putting it a few rungs short of 100 days of sodom.

The problem is that accusations of pedophilia and molestation are emotional warheads so we get nutcases trying to shoot up pizzerias because of a rumor that makes absolutely zero sense because it is physically impossible. There's a reason we have gag orders in high profile trials and why we sometimes sequester juries: every time the public gets involved in such an emotional issue, justice is at risk of getting perverted.

People like Epstein must be brought to justice and everyone who covered for them like Dershowitz and Acosta must feel the full force of the law and society they betrayed, but we have to do so deliberately. Otherwise, they'll just get away and continue to hurt people while qanon and Breitbart continue to radicalize a vulnerable segment of the population using easily disprovable lies.

Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by burfog on Friday January 11, 2019 @03:32PM (#18886683)
It's mighty hard to prove that a building has never contained a basement. It could be constructed in secret, used, and then filled in. You'd need to dig it up like an archaeologist would, examining layers of soil for signs of disturbance.

More realistically though, the pizzeria was a codeword for the real location. Plenty of evidence for pizza-related codewords is in the Podesta emails. It's really creepy. Normal people don't rent specific numbers of slices of pizza for specific numbers of hours. It is widely thought that the number of slices is actually the age of the victim. Pizza-related codewords are known to be used by criminals involved in that sort of thing; some have been caught. Podesta also has some disturbing artwork in his home that features children.

Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by jessaustin on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:41AM (#18874603)
Or consider that horrible Jeffrey Epstein. Not a politician, but he hosted politicians on his island of victimized children. Now we've learned that federal prosecutors colluded with his defense team to fool the courts into letting him off with a few months in a part-time minimum-security resort prison. It was fortunate for him that he had cultivated friendships with those in power! It was unfortunate for the little girls, how he cultivated those friendships...
Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by pjc50 on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:37AM (#18874562)
> were it not out of super credible institutions.

Indeed. And there's a huge war over creditability. It's expensive to maintain and it suits some people to destroy it entirely.

Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by cmsonger on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:19AM (#18874412)
Step 1: Election day is a national holiday.
Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by punchclockhero on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:50AM (#18874673)
Another option that solves the problem, at least for 9-to-5-ers is holding elections on Sundays. It's done that way in my country and it seems to be convenient enough. There's still a national holiday, but only for schoolchildren as the polling stations are in schools and it takes time to remove the election materials.
Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by RightMillennial on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:04AM (#18874276)
Aren't employers legally required to give you time off to vote? In roughly half of the states it's paid time off as well.
Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by dragonwriter on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:06AM (#18874299)
> Aren't employers legally required to give you time off to vote?

Only 30 states require this (no federal requirement exists), and not all of them required paid time off to vote.

https://www.businessinsider.com/can-i-leave-work-early-to-vo...

Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by rtkwe on Thursday January 10, 2019 @11:03AM (#18874808)
Many states do but the time they're required to provide is pretty short and not long enough in some areas (2-4 hours mostly 2-3) and even where there are provisions like that employers can refuse to provide the time.

> Though many states allow employees to have up to three hours off during the time the polls are open (the number of hours varies by state), nearly all of the states allow employers to refuse time off to vote.

https://aflcio.org/2016/11/5/know-your-rights-state-laws-emp...

Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by pimmen on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:42AM (#18874604)
The states that don't offer time off controls a very large portion of the electoral college votes, unfortunately. The ones that offer paid time off are at a real disadvantage because of the electoral college, too.
Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by moreira on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:06AM (#18874293)
They might be, but is it paid time off? If it's not, then many people may choose to work instead. Especially shift workers being paid on an hourly basis rather than salary.
Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by jessaustin on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:28AM (#18874489)
Perhaps it would be easier to just suppress the vote of older voters? It says right here that they're more susceptible to suggestion.
Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by funkythings on Thursday January 10, 2019 @09:55AM (#18874219)
Young people have always been less interested in politics. Just because you/we don't like how the elderly are voting, we don't have to make this a bigger issue than it is.
Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by pjc50 on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:08AM (#18874319)
> Young people have always been less interested in politics.

1968 would like a word.

Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by jessaustin on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:26AM (#18874474)
I hope you're referring to the civil rights movement, and not to those who elected Nixon so we could have a Drug War and stay in Vietnam for another seven years.
Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by refurb on Thursday January 10, 2019 @11:28AM (#18875063)
Nixon was the president that extricated the US from Vietnam through the peace talks. And the US' involvement only lasted another 5 years, not 7 years.
Re:People older than 65 share the most fake news, a new stud... by LanceH on Thursday January 10, 2019 @10:25AM (#18874456)
Yea, they showed up in record numbers to vote for....Nixon was it?