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Re:How Coca-Cola shaped obesity science and policy in China by GordonS on Thursday January 10, 2019 @05:58AM (#18872964)
> I don’t find sugar addictive

Try eliminating it from your diet and see if you still think the same! Seriously, for a few days you will crave carbs if you stop eating them altogether.

> Red meat, I suspect, transmits all kinds of...horomones, to antibiotics, to persistent organic pollutants...

Surely you could say the same about non-red meats such as chicken, pork and lamb?

> Red meat, I suspect, transmits all kinds of...persistent organic pollutants...

You could also argue this for just about any vegetable, legume, fruit or grain crop too.

Re:How Coca-Cola shaped obesity science and policy in China by jayalpha on Thursday January 10, 2019 @06:47AM (#18873181)
".. Red meat, I suspect, transmits all kinds of.."

Beef was suspected, based in statistic analysis, to to transmit cancer by a German Nobel price winner Harald zur Hausen for a long time.

And just last year there were some interesting results: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29434270

Re:How Coca-Cola shaped obesity science and policy in China by platelet on Thursday January 10, 2019 @06:59AM (#18873242)
Carbs are a source of ordinary nutrition, so the cravings you experience aren't a clue regarding addiction.

Body chemistry has essential needs. You can't just drop carbs (simple or complex), feel a pang, and conflate as addiction.

And yeah, all meat transmits compounds besides protein. But.

Meat sourced from mammals is different. And genetic/evolutionary proximity matters.

Pork, for sure, is controversial according to religious food customs for a reason. Not just the perception of pigs as "filthy animals." Consider that boar taint is a key factor in selecting how to butcher pigs for their meat.

Plants are extremely distant, and the evolutionary pathways that have lead to biologically significant plants is on the other side of the predator/prey wall.

Plants do not operate lipids in ways similar to animals, and oil solubility is a key factor for how animal behavior and metabolism gets modified by nutrition. From vitamins, to horomones, to blood/brain barrier crossing agents.

Re:How Coca-Cola shaped obesity science and policy in China by keymone on Thursday January 10, 2019 @07:45PM (#18880029)
Can you link sources to those claims?

For instance carbs are absolutely not essential [1], one can live healthy life without a gram of carbohydrates. So I’m interested where are you getting your information.

[1] https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/75/5/951/4689417

Re:How Coca-Cola shaped obesity science and policy in China by platelet on Friday January 11, 2019 @01:26AM (#18881428)
I don’t have a single link for you. Gee, looks like you win the internet.

Except, just try it. Try to exclude them from your diet, and see where you wind up.

And at this point, we can see that there’s nothing to your argument except pedantry. You use vague blanket statements “all” and “carbs” but link to a specific article about refined carbohydrates only, which really doesn’t cover the total scope of “all” carbohydrates.

Carbohydrates are a chemical class. You get carbs when you eat fruits and vegetables. Those are carbs.

People who go vegan have to deal with managing their carb intake all the time, and guess what? It ain’t just because of bread, pasta, rice, whole grain, flour and sugar. The sources of protein for a vegan diet often bring carbs along for the ride. Legumes bring carbs to the table. Quinoa is really popular, but includes a carbohydrate load, even though it’s a good source of essential amino acids.

If carbohydrates aren’t an essential aspect of metabolism, then can you explain the role of glycolysis as an input to the Krebs cycle? Need a link for that?

https://google.com/search?q=glycolysis+krebs+cycle

Have fun.

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Re:How Coca-Cola shaped obesity science and policy in China by keymone on Friday January 11, 2019 @08:51AM (#18883538)
nothing to say about ketones and krebs cycle? still going to insist carbs are essential macronutrient?

> take your [citation needed] practices somewhere else

i like this forum very much, specifically because i see how it's inhabitants react to your baseless claims.

Re:How Coca-Cola shaped obesity science and policy in China by dang on Friday January 11, 2019 @03:31PM (#18886672)
Please don't feed trolls. By doing that, you kept this flamewar going, and crossed into incivility yourself.

Instead, please follow the site guidelines and flag egregious comments instead of replying to them. To flag a comment, click on its timestamp to go to its page, then click the 'flag' link at the top. (There's a small karma threshold before flag links appear.)

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:How Coca-Cola shaped obesity science and policy in China by keymone on Friday January 11, 2019 @03:45PM (#18886794)
i have two 4-deep threads with that person, nobody else commented, calling that a flamewar is a bit of a stretch, but ok, point taken.